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[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by GroovePhi62

Ok I'm Confused ....can men join Theta Phi Alpha? Why is it called a Fraternity if it's all women?

The word "sorority" was not coined until Gamma Phi Beta was founded (year escapes me at the moment). Even then, there were some groups that chose to be a "Women's Fraternity".

[SthrnZeta]

"Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not a sorority. The founders intended ZTA be designated a “fraternity” to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men’s fraternities, called sororities."

And we're not the only one....

[scbelle]

Congrats to you and Theta Phi Alpha, Scandia! I hope you are happy in your new sisterhood.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

"Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not a sorority. The founders intended ZTA be designated a “fraternity” to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men’s fraternities, called sororities."

And we're not the only one....

And there are like 25,068 threads on this board explaining why that is not an entirely accurate statement for ZTA to make but I'm not going to show you any of them because you will throw a temper tantrum.

[SWTXBelle]

Reader's Digest Condensed version - early women's GLOs were called "women's fraternities" - hence all those GLOs formed prior to 1874 are fraternities. The term "sorority" was coined for Gamma Phi Beta upon the founding of the Beta chapter. Since then, some GLOs have chosen to use the term "sorority", and some "fraternity". Gamma Phi Beta's founding had NOTHING to do with any men's fraternity. HTH.

Back on topic - congratulations Scandia!

[Senusret I]

HTH = How The Hayle?

Help the Homeless?

Help This Heffa?

*lost*

[SWTXBelle]

LOL - Hope this helps - but I like "help this heffa", too!

[Senusret I]

Gotcha.....thanks!

[SthrnZeta]

Don't even start, Geeky. I already know all about all the reasons why that statement is not entirely accurate (since it's my org and all, I know how the brothers helped, etc, just quoting something to help) and I've already been told that every word on GC has already been said before. Thanks though.

[LilacLove]

Originally Posted by Scandia

OK Senusret, who informed you?

I wanted to have a guessing game. No fun if it is let out like that.

Scarlet- it would be a SISTER.

Congratulations

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

Don't even start, Geeky. I already know all about all the reasons why that statement is not entirely accurate (since it's my org and all, I know how the brothers helped, etc, just quoting something to help) and I've already been told that every word on GC has already been said before. Thanks though.

Listen here, sweetums: Gamma Phi Beta had no fraternity men influence our founding. You obviously don't know or you wouldn't be running off at the mouth like you did by quoting something you knew was wrong.

"I'm going to try to see if I can remember as much to make it sound like I'm smart on the subject." --George W. Bush

[SthrnZeta]

Simma down na! If all of NPC has it wrong that your org coined the term sorority, then call us all out. If all of NPC has it wrong that your colors are what they are because of a MAN, then call us all out. No need to get all pissy. I've never had beef with you, and frankly I'm sick of all that crap and YOU. I already admitted that the quote I took from a chapter's site was not entirely accurate - yeah, we had fraternity men help us, but we didn't have a brother fraternity, ZTA has always stood on its own and THAT's why we call ourselves a fraternity. I'm sure it has something to do also with history, as in when the term sorority was coined, etc., but that's what I was taught as a new member of ZTA and that's whats in our history, so who am I to doubt it?

Oh, and please don't call me sweetums. I don't know you that well - ok, at all. Rather condescending and unnecessary to say the least. And comparing me to Dubbya with that lame quote was just dumb.

[navane]

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

Don't even start, Geeky. I already know all about all the reasons why that statement is not entirely accurate (since it's my org and all, I know how the brothers helped, etc, just quoting something to help) and I've already been told that every word on GC has already been said before. Thanks though.

The problem is that the inaccurate statement you quoted would cause a reader to believe that Gamma Phi Beta and other organizations which use the word "sorority" were somehow founded thanks to the gracious help of a men's organization. This is not correct. If you know the statement "...is not entirely accurate..." then I'm not sure I understand why you posted it.

Honestly, that quote comes across as insulting to Gamma Phi Betas in particular and that may be why it elicits such a strong reaction.

.....Kelly

[SthrnZeta]

I'm not sure how that exact quote offends your org but if it did I apologize. I have always been led to believe that the term sorority meant that the org has a brother fraternity that helped in their founding - I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I would very much like to know if that's completely wrong, partially wrong/right, what have you. If we're all wrong about your history, then correct us. Pretty simple, or so I thought... but I feel like I keep having to repeat myself on this point. Who had the head banging against the wall smilies...??

[navane]

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

Simma down na! If all of NPC has it wrong that your org coined the term sorority, then call us all out. If all of NPC has it wrong that your colors are what they are because of a MAN, then call us all out.

Wow...ok.


Point of clarification - I'm not sure what you were getting at just then, but Gamma Phi Beta's colors were not selected by a man. They were selected by the sisters to honor a gentleman, Dr. Brown, who allowed early Gamma Phi Betas to use his study for meetings.

It seems just a bit out of order that you should give me and my sisters lessons on the history our own organization.

.....Kelly