"real" fraternities

[Erik P Conard]

I not only think it is healthy..for TKE...to have posts and views from other groups, but we are not closed to new ideas, either.
Several, though, miss the points made and perhaps are clouded
in defensiveness needlessly.
I never said the NIC chapters ought all to have houses. TKE and
others have existed for decades without a house on various campuses...for whatever reason. I do think one gets an added
experience by having lived in and operated a chapter house. I
cannot conceive dorm living, though, with fraternity closeness.
I never said the NIC chapters ought not to go on to commuter schools, and they, in themselves, are hard to categorize.
The differences we all have within our Fraternity simply points out
a diversity within which...is healthy. Serving on committees as well as being a volunteer...is good, but we do not always get our
agenda through. I have been in service with TKE over forty years, was a "hatchet man" at conclaves, and have seen a lot of
change during these times...some good, some not.
However, gentle reader, I am addressing TKE and perhaps other
like GLOs, mostly NIC (I salute the Phi Delts & Kappa Sigs for having the GUTS to leave NIC). Those who do not necessarily
"fit" are certainly welcome to express yourselves in here. Who knows, we might learn a thing or two!

[ucftke614]

Frater Conard,

I agree with you. I'm not as old as you are, being that I'm a recent graduate, but I can see where you're coming from. I could see it from the alumni from our chapter. They don't want to join an Alumni Association because they think our nationals are a joke or a scam. You need these guys to help you if you are ever going to get out of a problem. We don't have a house anymore because we had problems. Our chapter has been going through rough times since the mid 90s (or so I've been told). Alumni make your undergraduate experience better. I'm from a commuter school and I can see that with our chapter- it hasn't been until recently we actively try and keep alumni. Our chapter has a bunch of problems that a BOA & Alumni Group could fix but we can't get enough alumni. When you see how many alumni live in Orlando and Central Florida, you'd be surprised to see that its over 250 fraters. We have had trouble finding a Chapter Adviser that would even show up to meet with us. While our chapter isn't in bad shape and is improving vastly, we have strayed from the belief that numbers equal power. Since I've been initiated, we've initiated over 100 members. Our chapter size is 40ish and we've had about 15 guys graduate in 3 years. Our grades aren't great- avg of about a 2.5 GPA- but if you took the GPA of the 40ish brothers still here its over a 3.0. We aren't well known on campus- ZTA thought we were an academic or service fraternity even though our sweetheart was a ZTA. In this past year, we have had 8 brothers graduate which is a big step. Next year it looks like we'll have close to 20 graduates. We've got the ball rolling thanks to the help of Ryan Vescio (province advisor), Alex Rudloff (top teke last year), J. "Poppi" Endellmann (grand council), and a few other local alumni. I'm hoping that with each year we're able to collect a few more alumni and eventually pull our chapter out of the animal house rut we've dug ourselves into.
I have always wondered why some of our chapters are short lived. I think OGC is starting to head in the right direction with alumni retention but I think they started a little too late.


Yours in the bond,
Robert Boyd
the rainman
Xi-Iota 614


Florida is the greatest Southern Northern state.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by phimu_burberry

It is a joke anyone that thinks co-ed or service fraternities/sororities are as good as regular ones. The co-ed are just for those losers who couldn't make it through pledging. The service ones don't participate in recruitment at most schools or even on the councils. You don't have to go through pledging or get cut or half the things it takes to be a sorority member. Those kinds of organizations are what Greeks join after pledging and they don't consider a service as their frat. It is just stupid to think you are equal to us. All organizations participate in HC but it doesn't make them Greek. Co-ed right there makes you not Greek as it is private clubs for male and females seperately. You are just a club not really Greek.

Aw look at the trollperp. Trying to be all grown up and having an opinion and stuff.

[knight_shadow]

LOL @ "getting cut" being an integral part of the Greek experience.

We've ALL done that.

[pshsx1]

Thank you.

[Psi U MC Vito]

I couldn't understand that post at all.

[Drolefille]

Actually, is it just me, or does the post sound like someone more familiar with either a fraternity or other non-NPC GLO?

Or perhaps more accurately, only familiar with stereotypes of GLOs and not actually been through any process his/herself.

I mean "get through pledging?" Not really the way you'd phrase it for your average NPC.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Actually, is it just me, or does the post sound like someone more familiar with either a fraternity or other non-NPC GLO?

Or perhaps more accurately, only familiar with stereotypes of GLOs and not actually been through any process his/herself.

I mean "get through pledging?" Not really the way you'd phrase it for your average NPC.

We say those things in the South.

Damn Yankee.

[33girl]

OMG - there is a post from hoosier in this thread!!

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Actually, is it just me, or does the post sound like someone more familiar with either a fraternity or other non-NPC GLO?

Or perhaps more accurately, only familiar with stereotypes of GLOs and not actually been through any process his/herself.

I mean "get through pledging?" Not really the way you'd phrase it for your average NPC.

You know I was reading it that way as well. The post screams fraternity to me, not NPC sorority. And it looks like she has never heard of a coed social fraternity.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

We say those things in the South.

Damn Yankee.

Hey, I have it on good authority that Midwesterners don't get called Yankee

And I mean more that "getting through pledging" for your average NPC would not be somehow harder than pledging in a service or co-ed org. (As implied by the troll) Makes me think the troll's an even bigger wannabe than before and is only talking based on TV shows and rumors.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

You know I was reading it that way as well. The post screams fraternity to me, not NPC sorority. And it looks like she has never heard of a coed social fraternity.

Like I said, I think this is the latest madmax incarnation, or who was that guy talking about STG?

They were dumb enough to perp a chapter THAT HAS A FREQUENT POSTER ON GC. Epic fail.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Like I said, I think this is the latest madmax incarnation, or who was that guy talking about STG?

STG?

I thought madmax just did the racist shit or am I confused with someone else?

Can we ban for perp-age?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

STG?

I thought madmax just did the racist shit or am I confused with someone else?

Can we ban for perp-age?

STG = Sigma Tau Gamma - there was a guy talking about them at southern schools or something?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

STG = Sigma Tau Gamma - there was a guy talking about them at southern schools or something?

Aw I don't know, it's all running together for me anymore. What happened to the days where crazy was unique and unafraid of its craziness.

So no, I don't recall, but that's probably just me.