The Murder of Trayvon Martin - Page 28

badgeguy · #1 07-25-2013, 05:58 PM

What the heck does that even mean Drphil??

DrPhil · #2 07-25-2013, 06:12 PM

It means it is ironic that YOU would say someone is beating a dead horse. It is ironic that you would announce that Zimmerman is overweight now but appeared to be in decent shape back then. Certainly you know that clarification reinforces what Mizeree was saying. Zimmerman was a seemingly in shape 20-something who followed and had a run of the mill fight with a 17 year old. Zimmerman got his ass whooped, then conveniently found his gun on his hip to level the playing field. Sounds more like gun as a facilitating factor and someone who cannot take an ass whooping than self-defense (or even Stand Your Ground). Even without any mention of race, that reinforces what Mizeree is saying and fuels the protest over the verdict.

As for Mizeree's response that "none of it makes sense", I hope he read my post that Phrozen was responding to. Nothing in Mizeree's response refuted anything in my post to which Phrozen was responding. Trust me, we have enough nonsense in the legal and cj system. Mizeree, you do not want to encourage a system in which a prosecutor can only use what you said in your post in a courtroom and it results in a conviction. If you are fine with that, also be fine with that when it results in a verdict that you disagree with. Instead, you would probably argue against a verdict and complain the prosecution didn't have a strong case. If the defendant is a racial and ethnic minority, you would probably claim racist legal/cj system. But, that's what you wanted when it came to the Zimmerman verdict--you got what you asked for and don't like the outcome. We have a right to disagree with verdicts and we have a right to nonviolent protest. In using these rights, we should understand the different foundations of our protests and think about potential outcomes. I compare it to people who are against the death penalty until it hits close to home. Then they want the death penalty in their state and have amnesia as to why it was done away with. I weep for a society (and world) that is expected to go up and down on a whim.

badgeguy · #3 07-25-2013, 06:48 PM

The dead horse is the argument that keeps being made as typed out by Mizeree:
None of it makes sense, because it's bullshit! Zimmerman shot Martin for no reason other than to fuck with a young black kid who he thought fit the stereotype of a thug. When the police showed up, Zimmerman was standing there with a dead body and a gun. The police questioned him, he explained what happened, and then they let his fat ass go.
These two statements are incorrect....an the trial proved that.....the shooting was due to a fight....not to f$&$ with Martin.....and Zimmerman was not FAT at the time...

MysticCat · #4 07-25-2013, 07:25 PM

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The dead horse is the argument that keeps being made as typed out by Mizeree.

There can be more than one dead horse.

DrPhil · #5 07-25-2013, 06:50 PM

Badgeguy is slow.

Mizeree I2K · #6 07-25-2013, 09:56 PM

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Is the horse dead yet!?!

Is ya mama ugly enough to scare the flies off a shit wagon?

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First off, you seem to be blatantly ignoring the fact that there was a fight between the two.....and at the time of the incident Zimmerman was not fat...but rather seemingly fit.

Have a seat, home's....

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As for Mizeree's response that "none of it makes sense", I hope he read my post that Phrozen was responding to. Nothing in Mizeree's response refuted anything in my post to which Phrozen was responding. Trust me, we have enough nonsense in the legal and cj system. Mizeree, you do not want to encourage a system in which a prosecutor can only use what you said in your post in a courtroom and it results in a conviction. If you are fine with that, also be fine with that when it results in a verdict that you disagree with. Instead, you would probably argue against a verdict and complain the prosecution didn't have a strong case. If the defendant is a racial and ethnic minority, you would probably claim racist legal/cj system. But, that's what you wanted when it came to the Zimmerman verdict--you got what you asked for and don't like the outcome. We have a right to disagree with verdicts and we have a right to nonviolent protest. In using these rights, we should understand the different foundations of our protests and think about potential outcomes. I compare it to people who are against the death penalty until it hits close to home. Then they want the death penalty in their state and have amnesia as to why it was done away with. I weep for a society (and world) that is expected to go up and down on a whim.

I wasn't talking about anybody's post per se. I should have clarified that better. I meant that none of it makes sense as in the verdict made no sense.

I know that if it were the other way around, Martin would have gone to prison. It wouldn't have mattered if the victim was black or white, he still would have gone to jail. Y'all know damn well the system is wrong, and it has never worked for black people. That verdict was bullshit, and y'all damn well know it.

DrPhil · #7 07-25-2013, 10:30 PM

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It is much easier to "jump down" someone's throat in an online, not in your face, forum than in person.

Speak for yourself. Those of us who have these discussions in person know they sometimes go very much like this thread.

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I wasn't talking about anybody's post per se. I should have clarified that better. I meant that none of it makes sense as in the verdict made no sense.

Thanks for clarifying.

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I know that if it were the other way around, Martin would have gone to prison.

I believe so but the difference is the prosecution would probably do what they need to do to have a strong case. That didn't happen in the Zimmerman trial.

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Y'all know damn well the system is wrong, and it has never worked for black people.

The legal and cj system has always been flawed. That point can be made without exaggerating. It is not true that it has never worked for Black people. It often does not work for Blacks and Hispanics but that is not 100%.

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That verdict was bullshit, and y'all damn well know it.

No, the prosecution was bullshit. The verdict was on point and in response to the bullshit.

ASTalumna06 · #8 07-26-2013, 01:29 AM

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No, the prosecution was bullshit. The verdict was on point and in response to the bullshit.

Ah, everything narrowed down to one sentence.

badgeguy · #9 07-25-2013, 06:59 PM

I thought it was against the rules of GC to be negative towards other GC members??

amIblue? · #10 07-25-2013, 08:23 PM

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I thought it was against the rules of GC to be negative towards other GC members??

These are the rules:

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

Nothing in there about being negative towards other members. We'd all be in a boatload of trouble if being negative were a problem.

ASUADPi · #11 07-25-2013, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by badgeguy

I thought it was against the rules of GC to be negative towards other GC members??

Stop responding to the thread! The more you respond, the more people are going to get pissed off about your opinion. It is much easier to "jump down" someones throat in an online, not in your face, forum than in person.

Unfortunately, there are people in the world who aren't keen on hearing others opinions (hell my own mom is one of them).

If you are tired of being berated stop responding.

-back to the regularly scheduled thread....

DrPhil · #12 07-25-2013, 07:01 PM

Oh well....

Juror B29: Zimmerman 'got away with murder' but had to be acquitted

Have jurors always been so quick to talk to the media and write books? Don't they usually wait longer than 1-2 weeks?

And....

Family saved by Zimmerman cancels press conference

badgeguy · #13 07-26-2013, 01:04 AM

Hahahahahahhahahahahahahah

Kevin · #14 07-26-2013, 09:17 AM

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Hahahahahahhahahahahahahah

Just...don't.

DrPhil · #15 07-26-2013, 09:30 AM

I agree with this article:

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/ju...ublic-backlash

The practice of jurors speaking out so soon is annoying but they have every right to do so. Just be prepared to face backlash. It also goes against the "respect and don't question juries" argument that someone in this thread made earlier. Why should we respect and not the least bit question when the jurors themselves are not allowing this to be silenced; and their publicly expressed opinions mirror that of some of the general public?