Phi Kappa Psi at U of Virginia Voluntarily Suspends Activities

[AZTheta]

OK I'm nit picking. It's the U.S. Department of Education Office for Civil Rights. Not "of" - "for". I've gone through some OCR investigations in my career.

I have been unable to uncover any published reports of "12 in depth compliance reviews." Still researching.

Here's a link to the OCR list from 5/1/2014:

http://www.ed.gov/news/press-release...investigations

ETA: a little more digging found this: https://uvasexualassaultcoalition.wo...liance-review/ Still searching. But have to go to the pool, so maybe later today I'll find something.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by AZTheta

OK I'm nit picking. It's the U.S. Department of Education Office for Civil Rights. Not "of" - "for". I've gone through some OCR investigations in my career.

I have been unable to uncover any published reports of "12 in depth compliance reviews." Still researching.

Here's a link to the OCR list from 5/1/2014:

http://www.ed.gov/news/press-release...investigations

That's an old list. The latest one I could find was January of 2015 and it now includes 94 schools. I'm sure there have been more added since then...no government beauracracy is going to waste a frenzied moral panic like this one.

ETA: a little more digging found this: https://uvasexualassaultcoalition.wo...liance-review/ Still searching. But have to go to the pool, so maybe later today I'll find something.

Yeah I posted that link in a recent post. And another link that shows the student's lawsuit was dismissed in late March of this year. The filing of the lawsuit appears to be when the OCR started their compliance review. That was over four years ago, with no resolution in sight. But OCR assured VA Senator Tim Caine in a recent letter (responding to his letter that politely ask d "why the hell haven't you closed this case yet?") that they are working as fast as they can. Bahahahahahahaha!!

[Nanners52674]

I myself am having trouble finding a list of the 12 specific schools. So we'll go with that detail being fabricated.

What isn't fabricated is the link aztheta posted of the list of schools with open investigations and UVA is on that list. It's not even a long list compared with the number of universities in our country.

This whole thing is an absolute fiasco, but I don't agree with the thought process of Oh the article isn't true so of course UVA doesn't have a problem.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

but I don't agree with the thought process of Oh the article isn't true so of course UVA doesn't have a problem.

No one has said "of course UVA doesn't have a problem". Young people are at a higher risk of sexual assault. It happens. It's a terrible thing. But let's stick to the facts rather than let propaganda whip us into a frenzy and focus on the wrong solutions. College females are at LESS risk than their non-college peers for sexual assault. So why all the hand-wringing about frats and college campuses? Why aren't we worried about jane doe who graduated from high school last year and is working at the local piggly wiggly? She's statstically much more likely to get raped than the freshman at UVa? So why the disparity in the attention given?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by honorgal

No one has said "of course UVA doesn't have a problem". Young people are at a higher risk of sexual assault. It happens. It's a terrible thing. But let's stick to the facts rather than let propaganda whip us into a frenzy and focus on the wrong solutions. College females are at LESS risk than their non-college peers for sexual assault. So why all the hand-wringing about frats and college campuses? Why aren't we worried about jane doe who graduated from high school last year and is working at the local piggly wiggly? She's statstically much more likely to get raped than the freshman at UVa? So why the disparity in the attention given?

What actions do you think should be taken to reduce rape?

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

What actions do you think should be taken to reduce rape?

I think you would need to be more specific with your question.

Are we talking about something along the lines of the Hannah Graham case, the rape that didn't happen to Jackie (but let's pretend for the sake of discussion that it did, just as it was described in RS) or the situation described in the recent Esquire piece that I linked to a few pages back.

Here's the link again, in case you didn't read it before - its not nearly as salacious and riveting as the Jackie narrative that everyone wanted so badly to have happened. But it's a lot more representative of the types of cases that colleges are dealing with and OCR is investigating.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...-justice-case/

Would you say that those three examples of campus "rape" would all be amenable to the exact same prevention and reduction strategies?

[lake]

I thought this was relevant to this conversation. It's about putting a law in place to protect a student's due process rights. The article references a student who was banned from campus after being falsely accused of rape.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news...e-process-bill

[AZTheta]

Paging SWTXBelle - I know there are some fallacies going on in this discussion.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by AZTheta

Paging SWTXBelle - I know there are some fallacies going on in this discussion.

So many. So many. My head hurts. Honestly, y'all check yourselves before you wreck yourselves: www.yourlogicalfallacyis.com

[ASTalumna06]

'Catfishing’ over love interest might have spurred U-Va. gang-rape debacle:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-rape-debacle/

Ryan Duffin was a freshman at the University of Virginia when he met a student named Jackie.

Both teenagers were new to campus in September 2012, and the pair quickly became friends through a shared appreciation of alternative rock bands such as Coheed and Cambria and the Silversun Pickups. Early on, Duffin sensed that Jackie was interested in pursuing a romantic relationship with him. Duffin valued her friendship but politely rebuffed Jackie’s advances for more.

Just days after he met her, Duffin said, he was goaded into a text message conversation with a U-Va. junior named “Haven Monahan,” whom Jackie said she knew from a chemistry class.

What followed was what lawyers representing U-Va. associate dean Nicole Eramo described in new court documents as an elaborate scheme to win him over — a practice known as “catfishing” — that morphed into a sensational claim of gang rape at a U-Va. fraternity and a Rolling Stone story that rocked the U-Va. campus and shocked the nation.

[33girl]

[old school GC]

I wonder if Haven participated in Dance Marathon or wore his hair in a mullet.

[/old school GC]

[navane]

"Jackie" has been ordered by a judge to appear for a deposition in the lawsuit for Dean Eramo vs. The Rolling Stone.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/virginia...914ef54e4.html

[Kevin]

I don't feel at all sorry for this reporter. She was desperate to report news which confirmed her anti-fraternity bias. Simple as that. It should cost her a job and it will cost whoever Rolling Stone's insurance company is a pretty penny.

[ASTalumna06]

I haven't watched 20/20 in forever, but I randomly recorded the episode from last night. Tonight, I pressed the Info button to see what it was about, and it was this story.

They interviewed Jackie's friends (two of the three who were mentioned in the Rolling Stone article), which was pretty interesting. The one, Ryan, she wanted to date early freshman year, and they went out once, but he said they were better just being friends. The other guy friend (can't remember his name) said that Jackie was pretty upset about it, and it was weird for her to be THAT devastated over a two week crush. Then she started dating this "Haven" and was quick to tell her friends about him.

They said from the very beginning, she was an elaborate storyteller.

What I posted here pretty much tells the story.

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

'Catfishing’ over love interest might have spurred U-Va. gang-rape debacle:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-rape-debacle/

After the RS story broke, a more local reporter, simply curious as to why RS was initially reporting on the story, looked further into it. He started by interviewing Jackie and then went to her three friends; they were more than happy to speak. Initially, Rolling Stone also wanted to interview her three friends, but Jackie answered for them and claimed they weren't willing to be interviewed. A lie, of course.

According to Ryan, Jackie had asked him to vet Haven and gave Ryan his phone number. Haven mentioned that Jackie liked "some first year guy," clearly describing him. Ryan became suspicious, searched the student directory for Haven Monahan, and he found no results. Later they determined that the Haven texts were coming from Jackie herself.

Ryan said that Jackie would do anything to get his attention, and as mentioned in the article above, she even went so far as to say she had a terminal illness and she was dying. She told Ryan that her will was on copy at Student Health.

In addition to all of this insanity, it was suggested that her story was concocted using a rape that actually happened at that fraternity in 1984 (which I believe was mentioned in the Rolling Stone story) and possibly from an episode of Law & Order SVU. I actually knew the episode they were referencing - a gang rape occurred at a fraternity house and one of the guys says, "Grab her legs." In addition, they mentioned a love letter about Ryan where Jackie pulled exact quotes from an episode of Dawson's Creek.

It's just so unbelievable. And as Ryan said, it's crazy to think that this whole debacle could have been prevented if that Rolling Stone writer just went to Jackie's three friends and talked to them about it, rather than taking Jackie's word for it and assuming they would be uncooperative.