Recruitment Fall 2007-Spring 2008 - Page 25

TSteven · #**361** 01-29-2008, 11:37 PM

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Also, two [Ohio State] chapters that didn't take quota -- Kappa Delta and Alpha Phi -- couldn't take quota because it would take them over chapter total of 100.

I have read here on GC that some NPCs require a chapter to make quota before the chapter is eligible for certain inter/national awards. As such, I would hope that both the Alpha Phi and the Kappa Delta chapters will be eligible within their organizations since both chapters took the *maximum* number allowed.

Benzgirl · #**362** 01-29-2008, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven

I have read here on GC that some NPCs require a chapter to make quota before the chapter is eligible for certain inter/national awards. As such, I would hope that both the Alpha Phi and the Kappa Delta chapters will be eligible within their organizations since both chapters took the *maximum* number allowed.

Ohio State has different guidelines. Chapter total cannot be exceeded regardless of what quota is. This is to prevent an imbalance of chapter size and to keep more chapters on campus.

I'm not saying it's right, but it's the way it has been forever. Panhellenic Council lowered chapter total from 105 to 100 sometime during the 90s because of fewer girls going through recruitment.

nittanyalum · #**363** 01-29-2008, 11:47 PM

^^^Penn State was like that when I was there, too. We could only pledge to chapter total.

honeychile · #**364** 01-30-2008, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzgirl

No it's not. From what I was told, a lot of girls suicided and lost.

One of the traditionally strongest chapters took one of the lowest pledge classes, but they always compete with the same girls as one chapter that took quota.

Also,two chapters that didn't take quota -- Kappa Delta and Alpha Phi -- couldn't take quota because it would take them over chapter total of 100.

Does anybody have a Green Book handy? I sincerely think that the concept of an NPC Quota/Total Recruitment means that every chapter can take Quota, whether it takes them over Total or not. I really don't see how a school can get around that.

TSteven · #**365** 01-30-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzgirl

Ohio State has different guidelines. Chapter total cannot be exceeded regardless of what quota is. This is to prevent an imbalance of chapter size and to keep more chapters on campus.

I'm not saying it's right, but it's the way it has been forever. Panhellenic Council lowered chapter total from 105 to 100 sometime during the 90s because of fewer girls going through recruitment.

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum

^^^Penn State was like that when I was there, too. We could only pledge to chapter total.

Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with pledging up to total. A chapter that gets the maximum number of new members it is allowed to bid, and is at total, would seem to an HQ's ideal chapter.

honeychile · #**366** 01-30-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzgirl

You are correct. The same year that ADPi left, so did DPhiE. Sigma Delta Tau and Phi Mu left in the 90s and Zeta Tau Alpha have left in the late 80s. Kappa Delta did a huge recolonization in the 80s which took them from a low of 20 members to total.

Many of the houses are physically large. Ours held 56 (out of 100 in the chapter), so when you back out pledges, those traveling abroad and locals, it basically means everyone has to live in the house. This has been a big problem for several chapters

Our house (I forget who has it now - AXD?) slept 55, and only 5 women were willing to live in it, despite the numbers. At the time, I said that it showed more troubles with the house mother/housing corp than the chapter, but since I'm not there, I'm not really "in the know". Besides, my old chapter inherited a lot of their furnishings - a real coup for them!

33girl · #**367** 01-30-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by honeychile

Does anybody have a Green Book handy? I sincerely think that the concept of an NPC Quota/Total Recruitment means that every chapter can take Quota, whether it takes them over Total or not. I really don't see how a school can get around that.

The same way Indiana can get away with not having a consistent total. Plus, it's a school rule and school rules trump sorority rules - if the sororities don't like the school rules, they leave.

I'm sure that in these type cases, the nationals are aware of the rules and the groups aren't penalized for it. I mean, we had/have some groups that are the only sorority on campus - needless to say they don't have quota (although they do have a membership target). That doesn't stop them from winning membership awards.

TSteven · #**368** 01-30-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

The same way Indiana can get away with not having a consistent total. Plus, it's a school rule and school rules trump sorority rules - if the sororities don't like the school rules, they leave.

I'm sure that in these type cases, the nationals are aware of the rules and the groups aren't penalized for it. I mean, we had/have some groups that are the only sorority on campus - needless to say they don't have quota (although they do have a membership target). That doesn't stop them from winning membership awards.

Good point.

ComradesTrue · #**369** 01-30-2008, 03:58 PM

Irishpipes-

Thank you so much for doing this.. what a lot of work to keep up with everything!

Here are a couple of updates:
Quota at Vanderbilt was 50 and Theta took 50.

Also, on the list of TCU chapters... you have a "?" for the year that KD closed. That happened in the fall of 1992.

bluefish81 · #**370** 01-30-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by honeychile

Does anybody have a Green Book handy? I sincerely think that the concept of an NPC Quota/Total Recruitment means that every chapter can take Quota, whether it takes them over Total or not. I really don't see how a school can get around that.

According to the Green Book a chapter can exceed total as a result of participating in Panhellenic recruitment, but schools can always modify these rules to say that they can't.

The Green Book also says that women who suicide, SIP, whatever you want to call it are eligible for snap bidding and on some campuses that isn't the case either.

I also know that Nebraska doesn't establish a campus wide quota, it's a per chapter quota that fluctuates from year to year.

LucyKKG · #**371** 01-30-2008, 09:03 PM

There was only one NPC chapter on campus for something like 18 years before we came, so we have a lot of catching up to do (numbers wise). They never had a quota before, so things have really changed this year.

libelle · #**372** 01-30-2008, 10:47 PM

Has anyone heard results from Tulane? I think Bid day was Sunday.

Xylochick216 · #**373** 01-31-2008, 10:02 AM

Quota at Elon was 34. I know Alpha Chi made quota

SthrnZeta · #**374** 01-31-2008, 10:16 AM

Campus rules usually trump the Green Book. At Mason, we adhered pretty strictly to the Green Book but some larger schools have modified the rules. I think only pledging to total would make FR a little more fair - at least for the smaller struggling chapters. I mean, why have total if you can go over it every year by pledging quota? The big get bigger and the small stay small.

NutBrnHair · #**375** 01-31-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

I think only pledging to total would make FR a little more fair - at least for the smaller struggling chapters. I mean, why have total if you can go over it every year by pledging quota? The big get bigger and the small stay small.

Fair? Why penalize the PNMs who wish to join by limiting the number of spaces to total? Quota is a number set based on need and desire for that formal recruitment period.

Think about what you just proposed...Let's say 400 pnms sign up...200 go to pref parties (4 NPCs) so quota is 50. Ahhh...too bad...each group can only pledge up to total.