Hazing creates a sense of unity

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I don't think that big chapters at big schools are better than everyone else. I think many chapters at SMU, TCU, etc. and other small schools are really bad ass. Hell, I go to a university with 55,000+ students and the chapters here are pretty reasonable. I think having huge chapters for the sake of numbers is ridiculous. Since when did selectiveness become a bad thing?

Actually, I agree with You 100 %!

If I dont know My Brothers, are they My Chapter Brothers because they say so?

So if this is the case, what is the term for Brotherhood/Sisterhood?

Hi, I am a Brother/Sister of Yours, I dont know you?

[Cube TX]

You can have a group of 200 members, but if they're flakes and uninvolved then all you have is a large group of nothing. I remember back when our chapter had only about 15 members and we still got 3rd in Greek Week before more than doubling in size and winning the next 3 out of 4.

QUALITY always beats QUANTITY.

[bows&toes]

Originally Posted by kddani

The next point- examples, citations, etc.? Maybe if you picked the respectful women to join your group and treated them with respect yourself. Respect is earned, it is not a right. It doesn't sound like you have much, if any respect for new members, so why should they respect you? And what do you even define as "no respect"?

Reading that paragraph just blew my mind. Since when do actives need to earn respect from the pledges (yes, pledges)?? That's totally backwards, THEY are trying to PLEDGE and EARN the respect of the chapter so they can join. Greek chapters are supposed to be private/selective organizations, you do not owe anybody membership, THEY have to earn it not you.

[shinerbock]

exactly

[Drolefille]

There's a big difference in the way NPC groups recruit and the way that NIC/IFC fraternities recruit. When you pledge an NPC you are intended to stay. We want you to stay because we want you as our sister.

When you pledge a fraternity, often you have to earn your right to stay. Fraternities take larger pledge classes than they intend to initiate.


Different system guys, you may disagree but it's like trying to compare NPHC and NPC... apples to oranges. Thus don't be surprised when many NPC members disagree with your points of view...

[tunatartare]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

There's a big difference in the way NPC groups recruit and the way that NIC/IFC fraternities recruit. When you pledge an NPC you are intended to stay. We want you to stay because we want you as our sister.

When you pledge a fraternity, often you have to earn your right to stay. Fraternities take larger pledge classes than they intend to initiate.


Different system guys, you may disagree but it's like trying to compare NPHC and NPC... apples to oranges. Thus don't be surprised when many NPC members disagree with your points of view...

Basically yea. The ex-boyfriend's fraternity would give out to bids to just about any guy. They would tell guys when pinning was and that if they were interested they needed to come to the house dressed up at such and such a time. If necessary, they would have more than one pinning ceremony. Throughout their associate member process, guys would either not like it and drop out, not have grades, etc. and they would end up initiating a small fraction of the guys that they gave bids to. When I told him I was surprised at their associate member retention rates, he just shrugged it off and said that to them getting a bid wasn't a big deal at all, getting initiated was.

[Adelphean]

Originally Posted by kddani

Hope you feel better after your rant, because most of what you said is blatantly false.

Can you PROVE that it's false, or like my 'rant', is that just your opinion?

[KCZC27]

Originally Posted by Cube TX

You can have a group of 200 members, but if they're flakes and uninvolved then all you have is a large group of nothing. I remember back when our chapter had only about 15 members and we still got 3rd in Greek Week before more than doubling in size and winning the next 3 out of 4.

QUALITY always beats QUANTITY.

Originally Posted by macallan25

I don't think that big chapters at big schools are better than everyone else. I think many chapters at SMU, TCU, etc. and other small schools are really bad ass. Hell, I go to a university with 55,000+ students and the chapters here are pretty reasonable. I think having huge chapters for the sake of numbers is ridiculous. Since when did selectiveness become a bad thing?

for sure...my GLO is selective in a sense they'll give bids to most everyone, but if they don't think you're the type of guy for the group, they'll make sure you don't finish pledging

[kddani]

Originally Posted by Adelphean

Can you PROVE that it's false, or like my 'rant', is that just your opinion?

You're the one stating these things as facts. Saying something like "numbers are down" is not an opinion- it's a statement of supposed fact.

[DeltAlum]

Two very quick comments.

First, Delt numbers are up. That's a fact.

Second, actives should win the respect of pledges just as military officers should win the respect of the enlisted ranks and managers should earn the respect of their workers and direct reports. Life works a lot better that way, and a whole lot more gets accomplished.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Two very quick comments.

First, Delt numbers are up. That's a fact.

Second, actives should win the respect of pledges just as military officers should win the respect of the enlisted ranks and managers should earn the respect of their workers and direct reports. Life works a lot better that way, and a whole lot more gets accomplished.

I agree with your second point there. Good officers lead through gaining the respect, those who can try to lead through fear. The ones who lead through fear only lead until the followers stop being afraid.

Besides why try to scare, threaten, or harm your sisters or brothers?

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by KCZC27

my GLO... will give bids to most everyone, but if they don't think you're the type of guy for the group, they'll make sure you don't finish pledging

Then why give them a bid? Not trying to be difficult, just to figure it out.

Is it just a numbers game? Since, traditionally (for whatever reason), guys drop out of the pledging period and so in order to maintain adequate numbers the org issues more bids than it intends to initiate?

[KCZC27]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

Then why give them a bid? Not trying to be difficult, just to figure it out.

Is it just a numbers game? Since, traditionally (for whatever reason), guys drop out of the pledging period and so in order to maintain adequate numbers the org issues more bids than it intends to initiate?

we believe everyone has the potential to make it through pledging, but i made a mistake before when i said "if they don't think you're the type..."

it usually is a couple members that will single the pledge out and make it harder to finish. most of the times the pledge drops, although there are a couple which have finished. in the end when you finish the pledge process, everyone's cool with eachother because of respect to initiates from members just for finishing.

and about the numbers, everyone from my chapter would like to see a 1:1 bid:initiate ratio, but that has only happened a couple times at a couple chapters, none in mine.

[shinerbock]

My personal preference for bidding is to give out bids to approx 1/4 of the people who we ask to come around or come to events...this usually ends up being 30-60 guys, from which we'll usually initiate 25-35 per fall. That way we automatically weed out the guys we don't to even put a pin on, and then still can eliminate throughout the semester.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by kddani

You're the one stating these things as facts. Saying something like "numbers are down" is not an opinion- it's a statement of supposed fact.

??????

So what is Your opinion?

Fact or not?

Yes, it has been stated many times that GLO figures are down overall but not by each GLO.

Maybe it has something to with the economy and money.