Information on HBGLOs - Page 25

jubilance1922 · #**361** 04-06-2005, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by elldawg
I personally don't think anyone here is being dismissive. Are you saying that when an interest comes up to you and asks you what the names of the founders of PBS are, you volunteer the information? I doubt it. You do what everyone here is saying: RESEARCH!

I've never been asked by an interest who my founders are. In fact, I think that would be a very odd question for an interest to ask me. A crescent, maybe, but not an interest. I'm not sure how I would respond.

Not to mention, you can only comment on YOUR experience and YOUR org. I know I don't want you telling anyone about Sigma Gamma Rho, cause you aren't a member of my organization. If you want to comment on you and yours, go ahead. But don't try to come in and shame those who have chosen to answer questions differently.

My experience tells me that SGRho was founded in 1922 at Butler university by seven teachers. It is the only NPHC sorority to not be founded at Howard. Unlike the other NPHC sororities, it shares no official or historic relationship with an NPHC fraternity (i.e. first fam, coleman love, blue & white constitutional bond). I could go on, but I won't.
Disclaimer: There's a chance that some of this information is incorrect.

I aint tryin'a shame nobody. I want folks to understand that not all NPHC greeks are dismissive. Period.

Its fine that you know elementary information about my org. But I'd appreciate it if you refrained from giving information about my org out to other people, since as you stated, you could be incorrect.

As for the crescent thing, check your pm....

Imperial1 · #**362** 04-06-2005, 07:41 PM

After 25 pages, I bet not ONE person who's not an NPHC greek who wants info on each NPHC org has not even clicked on the site links nor looked up each org's NHQ website.

Imperial1

DSTCHAOS · #**363** 04-06-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by Imperial1
After 25 pages, I bet not ONE person who's not an NPHC greek who wants info on each NPHC org has not even clicked on the site links nor looked up each org's NHQ website.

That's not true.

I know for a FACT that some non-NPHCers have learned from this thread---what was said AND what was left unsaid.

@ those people

elldawg · #**364** 04-06-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Be nondismissive about general NPHC issues and SPECIFIC Phi Beta Sigma issues, then.

Your "eager beaver" mentality is ironic considering your disclaimer. Your inclusion of a DISCLAIMER means you should leave divulging SGRho information to the SGRhos.

No my disclaimer means I was being sarcastic.

"Eager Beaver?"

In any event I'll take your advice, atleast for the next few days as I head off to the Great Lakes Regional conference. Peace.

Rudey · #**365** 04-06-2005, 07:44 PM

You do help very much in answering my question.

Even though I'm someone you don't know and my compliment probably means little, you write rather well.

-Rudey

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Originally posted by Wolfman
The answer to your query is not a simple one, as a previous poster said. People do have all kinds of motivations to join the organizations they do. But as a matter of history, not hearsay or interfraternal polemics, one major reason people are attracted to or prejudiced against certain groups is due to certain stereotyes that do have an influence among those oriented to NPHC groups. It is ironic though that the websites of our groups don't address this issue head on.

Just as the founding of Kappa Alpha Society led to the founding of Delta Phi and Sigma Phi, and the presence of Alpha Delta Phi at Miami of Ohio led to the organization of Beta Theta Pi, and a rift amongst members of the Dekes at Miami led to the founding of Sigma Chi, simliar dynmaics led to the founding of most NPHC groups. (This is not much discussed nowadays but it is important and interesting;even some historical accounts tend to gloss over this.) Where this knowledge has been lost or obscured, the stereotypes that are attached to the groups are the link to this history. As I have said on numerous occasions, this has a powerful influence on some,favorably or unfavorably predisposing them to certain groups. These issues revolved around class/caste differences, social tastes, etc.

In Arnold Rampersad's magisterial multi-volume biography of Langston Hughes,who was initiated into the Omega Psi Phi Fraternity at Lincoln University(PA) by the Beta Chapter, he notes a letter from Countee Cullen, friend and fellow poet and auteur of the so-called Harlem Reniassance who, when he finds out that Hughes is going to pledge Omega, tries to dissuade him from doing so. (Cullen was an Alpha.) The issue was one of being in the premier black fraternity or, from the viewpoint of Omegas, a sense of false elitism. This was definitley a "hot button" issue with the Sigmas also. Similar dynamics playes themselves out amongst the sororities also.

When I went to a Kappa "smoker" in '79, the Province Polemarch, who was from my hometown and a classmate of my mother, spoke disparingly of Omega men at one point. And a brother in a chapter I was in in California, whose son's college roomate and primary circle of friends were Sigmas, told us that he sat his son down one day and told him that if he pledged Sigma he would disown him, and a DST friend of mine told me that when she was a little girl her DST mom would not let her wear pink and green. These are just examples of sentiments by some NPHC Greeks themselves who hold vey strong views. Are they the majority, I don't think so. But, in fact, if this is the case for informed and well-educated folk, what about the outsiders wannabees. As I've stated on several occasions, when I often meet a non-Greek and they see that I'm an Omega man, they often respond in a certain stereotypical way. It appears to me that most NIC and NPC groups do not have this powerful "branding" that shapes people's perception about them.

DSTCHAOS · #**366** 04-06-2005, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by elldawg
No my disclaimer means I was being sarcastic.

Keep "daring to be different," elldawg. Even when you're trying too hard but still aren't substantially changing the tide.

elldawg · #**367** 04-06-2005, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
Its fine that you know elementary information about my org. But I'd appreciate it if you refrained from giving information about my org out to other people, since as you stated, you could be incorrect.

As for the crescent thing, check your pm....

Is it incorrect?

Rudey · #**368** 04-06-2005, 07:46 PM

Thank you also for providing information.

Again, thank you.

-Rudey

Quote:

Originally posted by elldawg
I personally don't think anyone here is being dismissive. Are you saying that when an interest comes up to you and asks you what the names of the founders of PBS are, you volunteer the information? I doubt it. You do what everyone here is saying: RESEARCH!

I've never been asked by an interest who my founders are. In fact, I think that would be a very odd question for an interest to ask me. A crescent, maybe, but not an interest. I'm not sure how I would respond.

Not to mention, you can only comment on YOUR experience and YOUR org. I know I don't want you telling anyone about Sigma Gamma Rho, cause you aren't a member of my organization. If you want to comment on you and yours, go ahead. But don't try to come in and shame those who have chosen to answer questions differently.

My experience tells me that SGRho was founded in 1922 at Butler university by seven teachers. It is the only NPHC sorority to not be founded at Howard. Unlike the other NPHC sororities, it shares no official or historic relationship with an NPHC fraternity (i.e. first fam, coleman love, blue & white constitutional bond). I could go on, but I won't.
Disclaimer: There's a chance that some of this information is incorrect.

I aint tryin'a shame nobody. I want folks to understand that not all NPHC greeks are dismissive. Period.

DSTCHAOS · #**369** 04-06-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by elldawg
Is it incorrect?

Does it have to be for you not to speak on her organization?

jubilance1922 · #**370** 04-06-2005, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by elldawg
Is it incorrect?

You missed it....try again...

Rudey · #**371** 04-06-2005, 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by elldawg
Is it incorrect?

That is something I don't understand either.

It is fact, history and public knowledge and isn't incorrect...so why make a big deal about posting it?

Are people only allowed to speak about the civil war if they served in the army at that time?

-Rudey

jubilance1922 · #**372** 04-06-2005, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
That is something I don't understand either.

It is fact, history and public knowledge and isn't incorrect...so why make a big deal about posting it?

Are people only allowed to speak about the civil war if they served in the army at that time?

-Rudey

When you have a math question, do you consult a math teacher?

The most qualified person to speak about an org is its members.

DSTCHAOS · #**373** 04-06-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Are people only allowed to speak about the civil war if they served in the army at that time?

It depends on WHY and HOW they are speaking about the Civil War.

elldawg · #**374** 04-06-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
When you have a math question, do you consult a math teacher?

The most qualified person to speak about an org is its members.

Yeah, but if you can't find that teacher, a tutor will do. I'm out... fo real this time.

DSTCHAOS · #**375** 04-06-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by elldawg
Yeah, but if you can't find that teacher, a tutor will do.

The teacher is in this thread just like the "tutor" is.