2007 UGA Recruitment

[SoCalGirl]

I think QA could be a huge problem where PNMs attending Pref overlap the same 4-5 chapters. Those chapters would continue to pick extra girls year after year and other chapters would be shut out.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

I think QA could be a huge problem where PNMs attending Pref overlap the same 4-5 chapters. Those chapters would continue to pick extra girls year after year and other chapters would be shut out.

I can see how this could be an issue, but as long as they were prioritized by chapter size, it seems unlikely to happen.

If you go with the PNMs order of choices only, then you are right, though.

[SoCalGirl]

My concern would be the same group of chapters would all ready be the big ones on campus. QA would just place a PNM first with the smallest of the biggest chapters.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

My concern would be the same group of chapters would all ready be the big ones on campus. QA would just place a PNM first with the smallest of the biggest chapters.

It might happen occasionally, but I think that it's fairly uncommon for a girl at UGA to pref three of the very largest groups, but I may be wrong. (Here's a link to the grade reports that have membership numbers on them: http://www.uga.edu/panhellenic/academics.html. Although there is a lot of variation in numbers, most of the biggest groups don't seem to get the QAs, or many of them.

But even so, is it better than she not be placed?

I think we all like to think that she would take a COB to a smaller chapter, but this year, I think only two groups will be eligible to COB in the fall, and unless they raise total or a lot of girls graduate mid-year, there may not be that many additional groups in the spring.

[FloridaTish]

Does anyone know which groups are doing COB in the Fall? If any? I would love to hear that girls who didn't find a home might have a chance to take another look at the sororities doing COB...

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

It might happen occasionally, but I think that it's fairly uncommon for a girl at UGA to pref three of the very largest groups, but I may be wrong. (Here's a link to the grade reports that have membership numbers on them: http://www.uga.edu/panhellenic/academics.html. Although there is a lot of variation in numbers, most of the biggest groups don't seem to get the QAs, or many of them.

But even so, is it better than she not be placed?

I think we all like to think that she would take a COB to a smaller chapter, but this year, I think only two groups will be eligible to COB in the fall, and unless they raise total or a lot of girls graduate mid-year, there may not be that many additional groups in the spring.

I am thinking of schools beyond UGA. I'm sure there are many schools where it could happen.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

I am thinking of schools beyond UGA. I'm sure there are many schools where it could happen.

I suppose it could if the number of quota additions went unchecked, but if the problem emerged then they could go back to a hard cap on the number of quota additions.

At the schools where you can look at the data, the number of girls who maximize who don't get matched seems so small relative to the total numbers that it would be better for the system and the girls overall just to place them. Or at least try it for a while to see how it goes.

But you are right, other campuses might be really different. What has your knowledge/experience been like with them?

[PenguinTrax]

Originally Posted by hollywin

Can anyone tell me which house might be cob..ing. I have heard of a couple, but if anyone else has info I would love to pass it on to my daughter. I also heard that this was a record number of girls who dropped out..rumor or fiction? My daughter has talked to many girls and all of them said that they were never told about snap bids. If you drop out you are not qualified for this. It seems to me that when you formally dropped out at Memorial Hall that the Panhellinic advisors should have made this very clear. Live and learn I quess.

Any house that did not pledge to quota is eligible to COB. That doesn't mean they will. Some opt not to.

[leesek]

Do you mean any house that did not reach "total", not quota. You can reach quota and still COB if you are not at "Total"

[UGAalum94]

I just saw the part of Hollywin's post that addressed that girls dropping from recruitment weren't told about not being eligible for snap bids.

If the 10 girls matched "no pref" on the stats we saw earlier do in fact refer to girls who were snap bidded, it wasn't a lot to really miss out on, statistically anyway.

I have to admit that I'm even more confused about how snap bids are issued at UGA. If you can't give snap bids to girls who dropped out, you have to give them only to girls that your previously cut, which seems super-weird. You'd invite a girl to membership who you didn't even want to come to third round?

Are we sure the "drop outs can't get snap bids" thing at UGA is correct?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by leesek

Do you mean any house that did not reach "total", not quota. You can reach quota and still COB if you are not at "Total"

But at UGA this year, that distinction, while completely true, is not really an issue. The only groups that are likely under total are those who did not pledge to quota.

The other groups who picked up between 56-64 members are almost certainly at or over total if you look at where the groups were last spring.

ETA: sorry if this sound hostile. I think think I've had too much caffeine and thought about recruitment numbers a little too much today.

[Low C Sharp]

If you can't give snap bids to girls who dropped out, you have to give them only to girls that you previously cut, which seems super-weird.

There's a third category -- girls who cut your group and then didn't match. Suppose you are House X, a solid but not elite group. House X invited Susie PNM to pref, but she regretted the pref because she was also invited by superstar groups A, B, and C. Susie PNM ranks all 3 superstars on her bid card, but she's at the bottom of the third bid list at all three of them, and ends up bidless. House X offers a snap bid to Susie, since it wanted to have her at pref anyway. Susie says yes because she liked House X okay, just less than she liked A, B, and C.

This scenario times 10 = 10 pref-less snap bids. Not hard to imagine at a campus that big.
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[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

There's a third category -- girls who cut your group and then didn't match. Suppose you are House X, a solid but not elite group. House X invited Susie PNM to pref, but she regretted the pref because she was also invited by superstar groups A, B, and C. Susie PNM ranks all 3 superstars on her bid card, but she's at the bottom of the third bid list at all three of them, and ends up bidless. House X offers a snap bid to Susie, since it wanted to have her at pref anyway. Susie says yes because she liked House X okay, just less than she liked A, B, and C.

This scenario times 10 = 10 pref-less snap bids. Not hard to imagine at a campus that big.

You're right, and I had completely forgotten about that category of PNM. In addition to it happening after pref, I bet it could happen to a girl who might have cut groups after first, but not make it to prefs with other groups.

(It's always a little hard for me to imagine how it happens because so many more girls drop out than get cut and most girls who pref three will match to one.)

[kelcaopi]

I'm not sure why people are saying you can't give snap bids to girls who dropped out. Is this just a UGA rule? I know at my campus the girls who got snap bids were almost 100% of the time girls who dropped out before pref. Either they wouldn't get the invites they wanted or would just decided they had enough with rush, but either way I can't remember a time when any chapter gave a snap bid to a girl that they had cut! That just seems strange. Every chapter would get a list of girls who had withdrawn just in case we didn't make quota and wanted to give a snap bid to them.

[estherjb]

At last I can post! My registration request never reached my work email so I couldn't post last week as I read all the entries and replies Wow, what a difference almost thirty years makes.

Now to the pent up vent. What has happened to courtesy during rush? I wrote a rec for a girl who was outstanding academically, was captain of a varsity team and 4 year team member, greek family, cute, great wardrobe, no tats or piercings, blah blah blah, and she was cut after first round by my sorority. Are there so many girls going through rush now that sororities have their favorites picked out before rush begins? I wonder now if I should have sent her rec in the Spring.

Had a very different experience with a rec I sent to MSU (which is smaller, granted). Sent the rec, had a nice postcard from the reference chairman saying it had been received, and they would extend her every courtesy. She actually got a bid from them. Snaps to their system, and advisors.

If alum advisors are reading this, this experience makes me wonder why I bother to write references at all. The other girls I have sent them in for all pledged other sororities but I assumed it was because they didn't want mine. From this girl, who is a friend, I find out she was cut after first round? How many times has this happened before? My sorority was good at Georgia, but when I was there we would never have had the luxury of cutting a girl like this unless she had a QR (you old timers know that phrase, I don't think there's any such thing now) and this girl did not have a bad reputation.

If chapters want alums to respond when they send requests for financial support they should extend the courtesy of keeping us in the loop of chapter activities like rush. No contact about if they received my rec, who was pledged, who was a legacy, anything. And this in the day of email.

I warned you in the title this was a vent and I'm sorry to be so negative but I'm irritated and disappointed with what this girl has experienced and the longing she has to "belong" when her other friends are going off on sorority weekends and wearing their sorority gear and she is left out. What a great way to start your freshman year of college.

I think Georgia should do what many other schools have done and put rush off till Winter Semester so these rushees have their feet on the ground before experiencing the rejection of rush.