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Lady Pi Phi · #**316** 07-21-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by kddani
Most of the people who have posted to this thread HAVE read the book

I know, but our new member has already accused us of judging the book before we've read it. I'm just clarifying things for him/her.

kddani · #**317** 07-21-2005, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
I know, but our new member has already accused us of judging the book before we've read it. I'm just clarifying things for him/her.

No problem, that wasn't directed towards you, sorry if you thought it was.

I was just reiterating to the poster who said most of us hadn't read it. I think nearly all of us have read it by now

This reminds me that I have to list my copy back up on Amazon.

Lady Pi Phi · #**318** 07-21-2005, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by kddani
No problem, that wasn't directed towards you, sorry if you thought it was.

No problem. It was my mistake.

Ch2tf · #**319** 07-21-2005, 03:20 PM

I am not defending AR or making claims that the girls interviewed are real, maybe she doesn't sound credible/isn't credible because of her writing, lack of sources etc. But,

1. had she listed the names of Suzie Q, R, S, & T and their respective organizations ya'll would be even more up in arms over her lack of discretion. Not to mention that hell would probably reign down on that/those particular organizations, and members involved in her "story".

2. Despite what ya'll think of her, her tactics, her approach, her tackling the subject, etc. and whether or not you believe that the book is of a journalistic/academic nature, she doesn't have to reveal the identities of her sources, especially IF she is trying to protect them. Hell there is a legal battle over confidentiality of informants/sources battle right now.

3. As for her footnotes or whatever, how "credible" could any of her sources be if no Council or Org HQ would deal with her. Because she isn't using "official" sources that would please most people, she did use the sources that were available to her, and many times in research that is all that you can do. I know from extensive academic research on topics that have yet to be well researched and thus have no significant body of sources.

Ch2tf · #**320** 07-21-2005, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
I know, but our new member has already accused us of judging the book before we've read it. I'm just clarifying things for him/her.

If you are refering to me, I never accused anyone of judging the book before they read it.

adpiucf · #**321** 07-21-2005, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by Wolfman
A lot of the comments are a bit too thin-skinned! I actually read the book...

I did, too, and I'm the first to defend the news media when they report a hazing incident-- they're not sensationalizing it by reporting that on X date, members of ABC GLO forced their new members to (Fill in hazing example here). Quote from parent, quote from faculty, quote from nationals. Print.

However, this book is compilation of anonymous sources. I'm sorry, but in the sorority world, we aren't so top secret that we need to have a series of "Deep Throat" sources to leak information...

Her book is written as narrative and then she chases some urban myths out and explores them with out-of-date texts and more anonymous interviews. That's not effective reporting-- that's yellow journalism. I can't trust her sources if she doesn't cite them.

I do feel like the "narrative fiction" portion could be true-to-life on any college campus where women are living together in a sorority house or in a residence hall... girls sitting around talking, going to parties and enjoying being in college doing the stupid things that college "kids" tend to do.

But to pin the blame on Greeks for all college society ills is neither academic nor scientific nor statistically correct. Drugs/alcohol, hazing, body image problems, rape, etc., exist on all levels. Greeks are an elite society-- we should hold ourselves to a higher standard, yes, but we aren't the cause of these issues and a book of anonymous claims shouldn't make them appear legitimate to the common public as the Greek Community's fault.

33girl · #**322** 07-21-2005, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by Ch2tf
If you are refering to me, I never accused anyone of judging the book before they read it.

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Originally posted by Ch2tf
People are up in arms because they feel she hasn't presented a true/holistic representation of geek life, she doesn't have credible sources, etc., but the same goes for those that are criticizing the book without reading. Should you approach the book with apprehension and an eyebrow raised most likely, but again you can't really comment on the content unless you are familiar with it, the same way that most have stated she can't/shouldn't comment on greek life because she isn't greek or in the know.

Ch2tf · #**323** 07-21-2005, 03:34 PM

"for those that are criticizing the book without reading..."

I am not accusing everyone in the thread that has commented on this subject as having not read the book, what you have taken the time to quote is just what it means "for those that haven't read the book" it is similar to what you are accusing AR of doin.
Period.

This thread is old and like kddani said just about everyone has read the book by now.

33girl · #**324** 07-21-2005, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by Ch2tf
This thread is old and like kddani said just about everyone has read the book by now.

You apparently thought the thread wasn't too "old" to post a little over once per hour in it.

Just saying is all.

Ch2tf · #**325** 07-21-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
You apparently thought the thread wasn't too "old" to post a little over once per hour in it.

Just saying is all.

First of all the "this thread is old" wasn't meant to be rude or disrespectful, I was merely agreeing with kddani in that by now everyone prob had read the book. When I first came across the thread I had not realized it began last year. My bad.

Second spend less time tryin to put me "in my place". If you have an issue with something I said PM me.

33girl · #**326** 07-21-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by Ch2tf
Second spend less time tryin to put me "in my place". If you have an issue with something I said PM me.

But it didn't take any time at all.

Ch2tf · #**327** 07-21-2005, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
But it didn't take any time at all.

I am too grown for your nonsense, I said all I had to say in the PM so leave it at that.

KillarneyRose · #**328** 07-21-2005, 05:36 PM

Remember how it said at the end of her book that the reader could could eventually go to her website to get an update on what's going on with the four women featured in the book?

Does anyone know if that ever came to fruition?

ISUKappa · #**329** 07-21-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by KillarneyRose
Remember how it said at the end of her book that the reader could could eventually go to her website to get an update on what's going on with the four women featured in the book?

Does anyone know if that ever came to fruition?

Yes, there's more information in the Pledged Thread

blueangel · #**330** 07-21-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by a.e.B.O.T.
no, Moore is totally Non-fiction all the way... where he leaves off is that he doesnt present all the facts. He tells what he wants to hear and leaves off some whys and hows

Yeah...and.... PSSSSttttt...... I have a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you REALLY cheap!