DARK/LIGHT...SKIN COLOR.........Is this still an issue? Let's be honest Sorors & SF'

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by WenD08

i feel like she called us dark-skinned folks "darkies" or "jungle bunnies" by sharing.
who thought this stuff ended years ago? if you watch videos by OUR artists and add this person's feelings, you'll see that not much has changed.
Intraracism, gotta love it

More like "intraprejudice." We currently aren't talking about blacks who are withholding opportunities and resources based on colorisms.

An important note is that we are all products our environments as much as we fuel our environments. Black artists who are in the mainstream will do what sells. This comes from the larger society as well as from black community norms.

[Velocity_14]

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

'Cause if YOU don't think so....who else will?

You are right about that because I love the fact that I have been beautifully kissed by the sun.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

We have a place to speak about our mental health arrangements... Please join if anyone requires assistance. It is a safe-free zone.

Lol..girl please don't do it....LOL...I started having flashbacks of the last episode of GC Hospital. I don't know if they are ready for it...

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Eh...you AIGHT.

LMAO...that's messed up!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Velocity_14

I don't know if they are ready for it...

I'm not. Spare me. I beg.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I'm not trying to be smart, but what point are you making? I have seen quite a few Black Albinos. I have an aunt and cousin who are Albino. I never heard of it being culturally taboo (maybe it is in Africa). Albinos can be of any race; they are even among animals. I can still look at the people in these pictures and tell they are Black/African.

In some African countries it is considered taboo. And since Africa is thought to be the "cradle of the human population" at least genetically speaking, and the fact it still occurs and the fact that it occurs across animal species on the planet, even in unicellular eukaryotes, then it suggests that when the genetic mutation EVOLUTIONARILY occured in human populations, and the disparates it caused in human anthropological and cultural interactions, it easily explains how come there is such bitterness about the person's skin coloration... EVOLUTIONARY time takes 1000s if not millions of years...

How easy or hard would it be to develop a systemic bitterness issues to a whole well-rounded system of hate worldwide including historical events?

Also, humanity is similar genetically for all practical purposes. Sure, our genes may not be spelled the same for every locus (area), but nonetheless, the genes are in the same place at all times... These do not shift in 200-500 years. It takes more than 2-5 millenia to change, it at all. And modern humans are thought to have been on this planet for 15-20 millenia--150,000 to 200,000 years.

Here's a question, how genetically diverse is the European human population? And how dissimilar are they from Neaderthals or Cro-Magnon?

[Little32]

Originally Posted by WenD08

i feel like she called us dark-skinned folks "darkies" or "jungle bunnies" by sharing.
who thought this stuff ended years ago? if you watch videos by OUR artists and add this person's feelings, you'll see that not much has changed.

My bad, older people and dumb rappers.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Well...yeah...they are albino and albinoism occurs in every racial group. I have only seen black/African diasporic and white albinos in person, though.

So, suffice it to say that I would prefer that my child not be void of pigment. That's a taboo that is more than a cultural issue. It is not an issue of not wanting a child who is "too light" or "too dark."

But I figured today that someone was going to bring up albinos in this thread. And I didn't bring up albinos because that is a completely different topic.

I do not see it a separate topic when you understand human population genetics.

Didn't you read Dr. Frances Cress Welsing's Isis Papers? Is she accurate? Maybe not completely, but she does make valid points as does Dr. Marimba Ani's works. Malidoma Some also gets the relevant information.

Human migration patterns along with pre-Roman and Columbian circumnagivation and weather patterns do conclude that there make have been a planet catatrophe during MODERN human evolution that increased the number of albino births that may have developed into a epigenetic phenomena. Maybe not full albinism, but partial or gradual lightening of the skin over 20 generations.

It is also thought that Rickett's may have played a role. And because these's adults were shunned like "leprosy", they migrated to regions--without judgement.

And Kra-katoa supervolcano exploded, too... Changing the genetics of the human population through isolation--i.e. straighter hair, thinner lips, etc.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Velocity_14

Lol..girl please don't do it....LOL...I started having flashbacks of the last episode of GC Hospital. I don't know if they are ready for it...

Sweetheart, this is different... If people want to know, they know how to find us... Quite a few GCers are there.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

In some African countries it is considered taboo. And since Africa is thought to be the "cradle of the human population" at least genetically speaking, and the fact it still occurs and the fact that it occurs across animal species on the planet, even in unicellular eukaryotes, then it suggests that when the genetic mutation EVOLUTIONARILY occured in human populations, and the disparates it caused in human anthropological and cultural interactions, it easily explains how come there is such bitterness about the person's skin coloration... EVOLUTIONARY time takes 1000s if not millions of years...

How easy or hard would it be to develop a systemic bitterness issues to a whole well-rounded system of hate worldwide including historical events?

Also, humanity is similar genetically for all practical purposes. Sure, our genes may not be spelled the same for every locus (area), but nonetheless, the genes are in the same place at all times... These do not shift in 200-500 years. It takes more than 2-5 millenia to change, it at all. And modern humans are thought to have been on this planet for 15-20 millenia--150,000 to 200,000 years.

Here's a question, how genetically diverse is the European human population? And how dissimilar are they from Neaderthals or Cro-Magnon?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I do not see it a separate topic....

It is, though.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

It is, though.

How is it a separate topic, genetically? I really do not understand how it could be? What would be the genetic purpose of a lighter skin tone if not for mutation, which is a part of evolution?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

How is it a separate topic, genetically? I really do not understand how it could be? What would be the genetic purpose of a lighter skin tone if not for mutation, which is a part of evolution?

So without genetic mutations, all humans would be (insert complexion)? Eh....genetic mutation/evolution explanations have not been accepted across the board so you can debate that with yourself.

More importantly, this thread is about intragroup prejudice, regardless of the different theories behind where light/dark genetically came from. Albinism is an extreme and relatively rare condition that isn't about being "lightskinned." So to attempt to discuss albinos in a light/dark discussion is like discussing vitiligo or burn victims whose skin have been darkened. It is difficult to know whether these people will have certain advantages of disadvantages based on "colorism" versus being treated a certain way because they have a CONDITION. Conditions can generate intrigue and celebration or they can generate fear and disgust.

My stomach turned when I saw those albino photos but my stomach doesn't turn when I see photos of lightskinned or pale skinned blacks--unless the person is UGLY. While a lot of people are quick to call lighter blacks "pretty" just because they exist--I have never seen an albino black person even called "attractive."

[NappyBison]

http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=22529&

Interesting article on a South African albino girl who has been shunned from school.

Question: I've got a multiracial friend (black and white) who is pretty in my opinion but she is extremely light in complexion. She faithfully goes tanning 2-3 times per week in order to achieve a darker skin complexion. My question, have multiracial children been conditioned to believe they aren't "black enough" and thus they feel the need to prove their "blackness"? This subject was hinted at in my original post with the youtube link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0BxF...eature=related

[rhoyaltempest]

I have studied genetic mutation and DNA as well but I still say that Albinism is a separate topic since it is a rare condition like DSTCHAOS said.

Now I'm not saying that Albinism isn't caused by a genetic mutation, all rare conditions and birth defects are, but Albinism is still a different topic from the one that we are discussing here. Albinism while it's about the skin, is seen as a handicap or defect.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by NappyBison

http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=22529&

Interesting article on a South African albino girl who has been shunned from school.

Question: I've got a multiracial friend (black and white) who is pretty in my opinion but she is extremely light in complexion. She faithfully goes tanning 2-3 times per week in order to achieve a darker skin complexion. My question, have multiracial children been conditioned to believe they aren't "black enough" and thus they feel the need to prove their "blackness"? This subject was hinted at in my original post with the youtube link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0BxF...eature=related

I read the article and I really think it has more to do with her condition (Albinism), then racism (although it probably feels like racism to her and seems like it to others). I say this because in talking to my husband (who's from Ghana) and in getting to know his family and friends and in doing my own research, I've found that many Africans have a low tolerance for handicaps and rare conditions, especially when they are unattractive. It's really sad but in many poor villages, the handicap go uncared for if they don't have family. They are seen as burdens on society and people are mean and cruel to them. Also because many Africans are very superstitious (I think this is where African Americans got their superstitions from) and still go to village elders, herbalists, and voodoo practitioners (witch doctors) for healing, many of them are told that people with rare conditions they don't understand are cursed and that they should shun them and stay away from them or they will also be cursed. Even some of those who are educated find the superstitions hard to escape. My husband, who's educated and has lived in the U.S. for over 10 years has uttered not so nice things about people who are handicap or have rare conditions (and of course I correct him), so it's an ongoing problem there and I have read that rare conditions are less tolerated in other foreign countries as well.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I have studied genetic mutation and DNA as well but I still say that Albinism is a separate topic since it is a rare condition like DSTCHAOS said.

Now I'm not saying that Albinism isn't caused by a genetic mutation, all rare conditions and birth defects are, but Albinism is still a different topic from the one that we are discussing here. Albinism while it's about the skin, is seen as a handicap or defect.

Yeah albinism is a genetic mutation but isn't Monet also trying to say that lighter skin, in general, is caused by a genetic mutation?