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valkyrie · #**286** 10-07-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Information is on some sites GLO sites, but some folks might not know where to look and look for that info. here.

If you are too stupid to look at an organization's website to find out information about that organization, why in the hell should anybody on GC help you? SERIOUSLY.

tunatartare · #**287** 10-07-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Information is on some sites GLO sites, but some folks might not know where to look and look for that info.

If nothing else, it's called the search button.

Jen · #**288** 10-07-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

If nothing else, it's called the search button.

Very true - everything you wanted to know about AI is already contained in the AI forum, you just have to search for it. But most PNAMs are too lazy to do a search and ask the same things over again - and a lot of the time it's info they could find out on the sorority websites as well if they thought to look there.

UGAalum94 · #**289** 10-07-2006, 07:55 PM

You all seem to simultaneously arguing two mutually exclusive lines of reasoning: A) only information from a GLO’s website should be available at GreekChat AND B) If it’s on the group’s website, there’s no reason for it to be online elsewhere. What would that leave to be discussed on Greek Chat?

Really, you all are too much.

valkyrie · #**290** 10-07-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

You all seem to simultaneously arguing two mutually exclusive lines of reasoning: A) only information from a GLO’s website should be available at GreekChat AND B) If it’s on the group’s website, there’s no reason for it to be online elsewhere. What would that leave to be discussed on Greek Chat?

Really, you all are too much.

Well, that would leave the 900,000,000 other things that are discussed on GC.

UGAalum94 · #**291** 10-07-2006, 08:50 PM

If you weren't allowed to discuss anything that wasn't on the webpage, and you weren't allowed to discuss anything on the webpage, that would leave nothing that could be discussed.

Unless you admit that you are applying a standard to AI discussions that you wouldn't apply to other topics.

Jen · #**292** 10-07-2006, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

If you weren't allowed to discuss anything that wasn't on the webpage, and you weren't allowed to discuss anything on the webpage, that would leave nothing that could be discussed.

Unless you admit that you are applying a standard to AI discussions that you wouldn't apply to other topics.

AI isn't other topics. It's its own monster.

Tippiechick · #**293** 10-07-2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

You all seem to simultaneously arguing two mutually exclusive lines of reasoning: A) only information from a GLO’s website should be available at GreekChat AND B) If it’s on the group’s website, there’s no reason for it to be online elsewhere. What would that leave to be discussed on Greek Chat?

Really, you all are too much.

Why do you almost always go back and edit your posts? I have noticed a trend of this happening and think it is very odd. Care to explain?

UGAalum94 · #**294** 10-07-2006, 10:22 PM

Usually it's to correct typos that I didn't notice until later when I see them quoted in other people's comments.

In this instance, I did delete a comment that in hindsight I realized was unnecessarily speculative about peoples attitude and motives in wanting to shut down the AI forum.

This is the only instance for which I think the content was really changed. Usually, it's because I've typed d instead of s and stuff like that.

Should I not fix the errors?

Tippiechick · #**295** 10-07-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Usually it's to correct typos that I didn't notice until later when I see them quoted in other people's comments.

In this instance, I did delete a comment that in hindsight I realized was unnecessarily speculative about peoples attitude and motives in wanting to shut down the AI forum.

This is the only instance for which I think the content was really changed. Usually, it's because I've typed d instead of s and stuff like that.

Should I not fix the errors?

It just seems odd that you go back and edit so many of them.

James · #**296** 10-08-2006, 05:14 AM

I'm thankful she does. It makes it easier to read her posts. I wish more people would do it. In fact I should do it more myself, especially when posting at 5am.

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Originally Posted by Tippiechick

It just seems odd that you go back and edit so many of them.

ReachTheLimit · #**297** 10-08-2006, 09:01 AM

I think it has been mentioned before that RUSH and AI are two completely different things so to compare them is inaccurate.

I just wanted to make a clarification here that I never compared the two.
The main argument against having an AI forum is that anything that isn't on the GLO's website is ritual and shouldn't be discussed on GC.
I was merely stating a fact that details of how the bid-matching process works, I have never found, to be on any GLO's website, yet it is discussed in great detail on GC.

Adpiucf made a wonderful point in some other thread that NPC sororities do not mainly recruit in the alumnae world. Recruitment is done at the collegiate level.

I just want to clarify that i never said that AI's mainly recruit from the alumnae world. In fact, I haven't seen anyone post that yet.

AI is not the "wave of the future" when it comes to recruitment - it is an exceptional circumstance in which a woman is offered membership because the alumnae organization pursued her due to outstanding community contributions/contributions to the professional world/contributions to the sorority.

I never said it was the "wave of the future".

It is one thing to tell a pnm where she can get recs, what is appropriate to wear, how NOT to behave, etc so that she can go into recruitment and find a mutual match in Sorority World. This information is not membership selection in any sorority. It's common sense. Don't go into Sorority Skit Night wearing a bikini and talking about how you slept with 65231265 guys in high school.

I think you just made my point here. When you are telling a PNM that would otherwise be the type of women to sleep with every Tom, Dick and Harry and openly discuss her sexual conquests with anyone that will listen, you are actually encouraging her to not be herself and to hide information or else she won't get a bid. So on 'bid day' you get an image of a sister, and not the one you really got.

Furthermore, membership criteria is spelled out for pnms on most of the sororities websites or Greek Life websites. You can't have a 1.0 and expect to get invites from all the houses. You need to understand the financial implications of joining a sorority. You need to understand that a sorority will also take up some of your time. You need to understand that by joining a sorority, you will likely have to do philanthropic work. Once again, no membership selection top secret stuff here and this information is readily available on credible websites.

I would probably have to say that if you joined a sorority as an AI, shouldn't you want to be a member that would have to participate? Otherwise, what would be the point? Obviously, you have to pay fees to join, a local alumnae chapter should never, ever AI someone who won't participate after initiation.

It is quite another thing to ask about the "requirements" of AI for sororities on an internet chat board, WHEN THAT INFORMATION IS NOT EVEN AVAILABLE ON THE HQ'S WEBSITES. I think that is the bit some people are just not getting.

If it's not on THEIR websites, why the hell should it be here? And who's the say the information posted by anonymous internet users is valid anyway?

When you say "Who's to say the information posted by anonymous internet users is valid anyway"...this could easily go for anyone that posts to GC. We just assume, if someone says that they are a member of Alpha Delta Pi, that they are, actually a member of ADiPi. Whenever an individual sorority members gives advice on the board, he or she is really speaking of how they do things at their school and at their chapter.

Another poster had an excellent comment if you limited your discussion on GC to what was easily found on the GLO's websites, that would have a severe impact of what you could discuss on GC.

I don't see anything wrong with asking general questions about AI membership requirements. All organizations have them. I would assume one would have to have a college degree, do they take graduate students, is their an age limit, does the sorority that they want to AI have to be at their alma mater, etc. These types of questions are so silly and general I can't imagine a National would "freak out" over them being discussed on GC.

It is nobody's business what my or other sorority's policies are on AI except OUR OWN.

And while there are thousands of registered users on GC, only a very tiny percentage of them even post on here to begin with. Most of the "regulars" are actually posting in this very thread.

I think that this hits the nail on the head. If a "very tiny percentage" of posters that are members of a sorority post wanting to do away with the AI forum, how do we know that you speak for your national as a whole? We don't. I think if something was that important to a sorority, I could understand national not wanting to give credibility to GC, but you would think sorority members would be coming here by the hundreds.

midwesterngirl · #**298** 10-08-2006, 10:45 AM

I just think that keeping the forum alive allows a level of presumption that many sorority's may not want. I think it has created a sense of entitlement that I personally find rude,arrogant and disrespectful to the organizations in question.Who are you to tell me or my sisters,some of whom are national officers, that you are entitled to something that my organization doesn't make public? Why would I want someone in my organization who is so arrogant that they feel that this is their right to know just to satisfy themselves? Not to mention
that I think it is incrediably lazy to come to a message board to look for your information. It takes the same amount of time to email a introductory letter to a sorority's HQ as it does to email the same letter to GCer. If you can't even take even the most minute initiative,what kind of asset are you going to be when it comes down to it? It is fine if you don't know but if you want something directly why would you ask GC and not the HQ's? If you want something from the horses mouth, you need to ask the horse, so to speak.

It has been said several times before that a few years ago many sorority's contained public information about AI. Now for the most part they do not. It is on the sister's only side or it isn't there at all. How does that not suggest that it isn't information the organizations want public? If they wanted it public they would make it public. It is that simple. Without the hair splitting that has been going on on both sides of this argument, it is that simple. I don't see any gray to this area at all.

UGAalum94 · #**299** 10-08-2006, 11:29 AM

Midwesterngirl,

Does your group communicate its wishes about AI to all members? Is the only indication of the National officer's desire to keep communication about AI off the web the fact that they don't put in on the website or do they also remind members that they shouldn't be discussing AI with others?

midwesterngirl · #**300** 10-08-2006, 12:01 PM

Whether or not they want us to talk about it is irrelevant. It used to be public and now it isn't. To me that infers that the rules have changed and they are trying to reign it in and keep it under their control. No gray area there. Anyone who doesn't understand that is deliberately misunderstanding.

If we as members know someone who is fantastic and would make a great asset,AND WHO WAS ISSUED AN INVITATION TO JOIN AT OUR DESCRETION AND NOT THEIR INSISTANCE BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY ARE OWED IT BECAUSE THEY CAN BE, I am sure my HQ will be ecstatic and more than happy to share the appropriate information with them.

Frankly I don't understand your interest in fishing for other sororities AI policies. What possible difference would anyone's policy but Alpha Gamma Delta's make to you? If you know a fantastic woman, you aren't going to send her to another organization. If she is so stellar that you want to help her AI, you are going to want to keep her for yourself. So what is this desperate need that you have to know other organization policies? This is the sense of entitlement that I was referring to upthread. Just because you want to know doesn't make your business.