Clemson Recruitment

[SCTransplant]

Sorry, didn't proof read as well as I should have. New total at Clemson since vote - 172. Another sorority will be invited to colonize in fall 2009.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by SCTransplant

Sorry, didn't proof read as well as I should have. New total at Clemson since vote - 172. Another sorority will be invited to colonize in fall 2009.

ooooooooooh! ahhhhhhhhhh!

[sunnydebs]

I wonder which sororities will be invited to make presentations....delta zeta colonized in 2004 and I remember phi mu presenting that year.

My guess would be phi mu will try again. my other guesses are aopi and pi beta phi...but who knows!?

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by sunnydebs

I wonder which sororities will be invited to make presentations....delta zeta colonized in 2004 and I remember phi mu presenting that year.

My guess would be phi mu will try again. my other guesses are aopi and pi beta phi...but who knows!?

Pi Phi used to have chapters at University of South Carolina and Clemson.

At one time I'd heard through the grapevine that we weren't interested in trying to recolonize at either school anytime soon. Things weren't "right" at the moment for Pi Phi back around the time Clemson added DG and USC added Gamma Phi. That was a while back though.

Our previous Grand President, Sis Mullis, was from one of the SC chapters. USC I believe.

Personally I would love love love Pi Phi to recolonize at either school. Don't know if it's in the cards though.

[KSUViolet06]

Of course I would love to see Sigma there. I don't know how possible it is since it would take a LOT of resources (and we've got Mizzou going right now). We do have 4 chapters in the state at some smaller schools (Winthrop, Presbyterian, Newberry, Coastal Carolina) though and one more would be nice.

[eringobraugh]

It took years (10 or more) to nail down the final plan for Greek Housing at USC. I know when I was at Carolina we changed location and actual housing plans 3 times. I am thrilled with the end result, the Greek Village is gorgeous and has improved Greek Life at USC substantially. It was a tough road to get there though. I didn't realize how much the Greek organizations at Clemson struggle with the university for support. I was under the impression that their ultimate goal was to move to houses or new meeting facilities. With such huge groups you would think the University would put more of a priority in meeting their needs! I can't imagine fire drills DURING recruitment parties, what a nightmare. Before USC had houses we were able to hold recruitment events in the press boxes and scholarship lounges at the football stadium (which was a very cool location!) Meeting rooms on campus were always available by reservation to accommodate chapter meetings and other events.

I will be excited to see what groups make presentations and are selected to colonize at both Clemson and USC.

[breathesgelatin]

From irishpipes' thread:


Clemson University Clemson, SC: August 20-27, 2008
Quota=54
Campus Total=172
Quota last year=46
***************
Delta Delta Delta Beta Theta 1970 (55)
Kappa Kappa Gamma Epsilon Mu 1970 (55)
Chi Omega Psi Kappa 1970 (54)
Kappa Alpha Theta Delta Phi 1972 (68)
Alpha Delta Pi Zeta Nu 1976 (54)
Pi Beta Phi South Carolina Beta 1976-?
Kappa Delta Epsilon Tau 1980 (60)
Delta Gamma Epsilon Kappa 1981-2003
Alpha Chi Omega Theta Lambda 1985 (61)
Gamma Phi Beta Epsilon Theta 1988 (62 64?)
Zeta Tau Alpha Kappa Zeta 1990 (59)
Alpha Gamma Delta Theta Xi 1994-2000
Delta Zeta Pi Epsilon 2004 (58)




University of South Carolina Columbia, SC: August 17-24, 2008
Quota=77
Campus Total=
Quota last year=71
Registered PNMs=1,105
******************
Alpha Delta Pi Beta Epsilon 1928
Delta Delta Delta Alpha Lambda 1928 (82)
Delta Zeta Beta Delta 1928 (78)
Chi Omega Eta Gamma 1928
Zeta Tau Alpha Beta Omicron 1929
Pi Beta Phi South Carolina Alpha 1931-1985
Sigma Kappa Beta Beta 1932-1936
Alpha Omicron Pi Delta Phi 1933-1937/1978-1983
Kappa Delta Beta Zeta 1940
Alpha Epsilon Phi Alpha Pi 1945-1978
Sigma Delta Tau Alpha Kappa 1957-1962
Kappa Kappa Gamma Epsilon Kappa 1967 (82)
Sigma Sigma Sigma Delta Kappa 1977-1983
Delta Gamma Epsilon Chi 1985-2003
Alpha Chi Omega Theta Upsilon 1987
Kappa Alpha Theta Zeta Kappa 1990-2001
Gamma Phi Beta Zeta Sigma 2004

Geez. USC especially does not look like an easy place to colonize.

I learned something new today - I had no idea Pi Phi had an early short-lived chapter at Charleston Southern/Baptist College. Does that institution still exist? Interestingly, it's not SC Alpha so it must be a lost designation from before we switched to the current naming system... I'll have to research that one a bit.

[southernbell196]

Yes Charleston Southern still exists. They have greek life, but strangely it looks like they have no chapters of members of the national panhellenic council even though they do have national fraternities and members of the NPHC. Here is a link to their student life page: http://www.csuniv.edu/campuslife/clubs_org.asp

[southernbell196]

Clemson has housing, just not "houses". They have floors of dorms.

[ladybug12]

I was copied on an email yesterday that said that Phi Mu would be presenting at Clemson.

It is almost impossible to colonize on a campus that has beautiful new houses like USC unless there is a house that can be leased for several years...coming up with millions of dollars to build a house is too much of a gamble for most of our GLOs (at least mine!).

This is one of the main reasons schools like Ole Miss are not opening up for extension...because there are no empty houses for anyone to lease and no place on campus to build a new house.

[eringobraugh]

Gamma Phi has done incredibly well since colonizing at USC in 2004. They somehow managed to raise funds to build a gorgeous house worth nearly $2,000,000 that opened in the Fall of 2007. I believe another chapter (or two) will see their success and know that it can be done and will be willing to consider colonizing at USC.

Since Phi Mu is presenting at Clemson I doubt they would make a presentation at USC as well. When I hear who does I will update.

[TigerPiPhi]

Pi Phi is presenting at Clemson on Wednesday, November 12. Pi Phi did not present for recolonization in 2004 (even though we were invited) not only because we had our hands full colonizing other chapters but also because of concern about Clemson at that time. Delta Gamma had just closed in 2003. We had learned from Alpha Gams experience in the 1990s (who came on just as we were closing in 1994 or 1995) that coming on when someone is closing shop may not be the best thing to do. Alpha Gam ended up closing just 6 years later. Then DG 3 years after that. I remember many chapters having to COB all the time to stay afloat.

There was a big imbalance between big sororities and small sororities at that time, instead of everyone being around the same size and being healthy from an extension standpoint.

I'm glad to see that chapters are appearing to do better now on the Clemson campus. Seems like everyone is getting good numbers in recruitment.

I am hopeful for Pi Phi. After successful presentations at Mississippi State, NYU, and MIT recently, I hope another goes our way. Georgia Alpha is a great chapter nearby (one of the top Pi Phi chapters), and all the North Carolina chapters are strong. I went to NC State's installation in 2005, and they did a great job there.

There was never a SC Gamma that I recall. The only chapters in SC were at USC and Clemson, and that's according to the history book from the 2005 Convention in Tampa.

Sis was a SC Alpha from USC, btw.

And yes, the Clemson sororities have floors in the dorms. Pi Phi used to be 3rd floor of Barnett, between ADPi and Theta.

[SCTransplant]

Alpha Phi is scheduled to present on Nov. 11. Not sure what the housing plans will be for an additional chapter. I will try to find out.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by TigerPiPhi

Pi Phi is presenting at Clemson on Wednesday, November 12. Pi Phi did not present for recolonization in 2004 (even though we were invited) not only because we had our hands full colonizing other chapters but also because of concern about Clemson at that time. Delta Gamma had just closed in 2003. We had learned from Alpha Gams experience in the 1990s (who came on just as we were closing in 1994 or 1995) that coming on when someone is closing shop may not be the best thing to do. Alpha Gam ended up closing just 6 years later. Then DG 3 years after that. I remember many chapters having to COB all the time to stay afloat.

There was a big imbalance between big sororities and small sororities at that time, instead of everyone being around the same size and being healthy from an extension standpoint.

I'm glad to see that chapters are appearing to do better now on the Clemson campus. Seems like everyone is getting good numbers in recruitment.

I am hopeful for Pi Phi. After successful presentations at Mississippi State, NYU, and MIT recently, I hope another goes our way. Georgia Alpha is a great chapter nearby (one of the top Pi Phi chapters), and all the North Carolina chapters are strong. I went to NC State's installation in 2005, and they did a great job there.

There was never a SC Gamma that I recall. The only chapters in SC were at USC and Clemson, and that's according to the history book from the 2005 Convention in Tampa.

Sis was a SC Alpha from USC, btw.

And yes, the Clemson sororities have floors in the dorms. Pi Phi used to be 3rd floor of Barnett, between ADPi and Theta.

Thanks for the details on all that. And welcome to GC!

The third SC chapter information is coming from this post. Pi Phi didn't always use the state-by-state naming system. Early in our history, the sorority used a naming system similar to what most GLOs use: the Alpha chapter was at Monmouth, and so on. The system was a bit disorganized and I think there were alumnae clubs that were lettered chapters at that time as well. At some point fairly early on we switched to the state-by-state system, and all the chapters that were still functioning got new names. I know for sure though, that the defunct chapters at the time of the name reorganization did NOT get new names. Thus there ARE some closed collegiate Pi Phi chapters that don't have state-by-state names. Some of them are at institutions that no longer function.

In this instance, according to irishpipes' thread, Pi Phi had a chapter at Baptist College, which is now Charleston Southern University.

You can look this up in the comprehensive history of Pi Phi that should be in every chapter's archives.

You can also see it on the Pi Phi website. I'm not giving anything away on this because when you set up an account you can see this list without having logged in... So when you set up an account and have to choose your chapter of initiation, the options on the drop-down menu include:

IA Clarinda
IC Psi
Phi of IC
Rho of IC
Zeta of IC

I'm assuming that the IA Clarinda is in Iowa. It's a state-by-state name, but a non-standard one. We used to have a ton of chapters in Iowa that no longer exist, you can see those on the drop-down list. Oddly, there are two groupings, one under "Iowa" and one under "IA."

Interesting stuff.

[TigerPiPhi]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Thanks for the details on all that. And welcome to GC!

The third SC chapter information is coming from this post. Pi Phi didn't always use the state-by-state naming system. Early in our history, the sorority used a naming system similar to what most GLOs use: the Alpha chapter was at Monmouth, and so on. The system was a bit disorganized and I think there were alumnae clubs that were lettered chapters at that time as well. At some point fairly early on we switched to the state-by-state system, and all the chapters that were still functioning got new names. I know for sure though, that the defunct chapters at the time of the name reorganization did NOT get new names. Thus there ARE some closed collegiate Pi Phi chapters that don't have state-by-state names. Some of them are at institutions that no longer function.

In this instance, according to irishpipes' thread, Pi Phi had a chapter at Baptist College, which is now Charleston Southern University.

You can look this up in the comprehensive history of Pi Phi that should be in every chapter's archives.

You can also see it on the Pi Phi website. I'm not giving anything away on this because when you set up an account you can see this list without having logged in... So when you set up an account and have to choose your chapter of initiation, the options on the drop-down menu include:

IA Clarinda
IC Psi
Phi of IC
Rho of IC
Zeta of IC

I'm assuming that the IA Clarinda is in Iowa. It's a state-by-state name, but a non-standard one. We used to have a ton of chapters in Iowa that no longer exist, you can see those on the drop-down list. Oddly, there are two groupings, one under "Iowa" and one under "IA."

Interesting stuff.

Thanks for the welcome.

I saw that post, but I don't think it is accurate. I don't recall a chapter of that naming convention in the history in SC, and Charleston would have been far from where Pi Phi was colonizing at that time. That was right after the Civil War, and I doubt Southern women would have been very receptive to a bunch of Northern girls coming in to start a group. Most of the oldest of the Southern chapters started in the 1920s and 1930s, in my recollection.