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Old 06-23-2008, 01:30 PM
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It the polls bear no references, making this nothing but a piece of political propaganda. It doesn't say who they asked, where they are from, there are just so many factors that could sway the poll, but the statistics of the poll are not listed, therefore this poll cannot truly be taken seriously.
Nate-Good point. Perhaps the answer is this link; which was on the news story page itself:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...T2008062200049
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Old 06-23-2008, 02:05 PM
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It's great to remind people that things don't go away just because people claim not to be thinking about race or because there's a black candidate for POTUS.
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Old 06-23-2008, 03:15 PM
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Nate-Good point. Perhaps the answer is this link; which was on the news story page itself:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...T2008062200049
Not that questioning the research method matters for this type of faux-revelation, based on the main point versus some of the details, but that question is answered on this link.

ETA: This link is also on the main article. It provides a link to the washington post poll for those who were truly concerned.
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Sorry I missed the link, I thought it would redirect me back to the original page. Thank you for the link to it. I still think that the statistics still leave much to be desired, things such as a breakdown of each target would have given a much more idea of how things will actually go, but it would take far too long to decide. Once again, it does say randomly selected, but it would have been nice for a regional breakdown.
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Old 06-23-2008, 08:16 PM
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Sorry I missed the link, I thought it would redirect me back to the original page. Thank you for the link to it. I still think that the statistics still leave much to be desired, things such as a breakdown of each target would have given a much more idea of how things will actually go, but it would take far too long to decide. Once again, it does say randomly selected, but it would have been nice for a regional breakdown.
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Old 06-25-2008, 02:22 PM
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NEWS FLASH: 70% OF AMERICANS LIE.
^^^^^ says that 100 percent of americans have racial bias.

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Old 06-25-2008, 02:44 PM
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^^^^^ says that 100 percent of americans have racial bias.

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You disagree?

Remember, "bias" can simply be a limited prejudgment (like "I assume all black guys I meet are better than me at basketball"), something more insidious, or something overtly racist.

It can even be "I trust people of my own race more than others" - something that is actually quite natural.
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You disagree?

Remember, "bias" can simply be a limited prejudgment (like "I assume all black guys I meet are better than me at basketball"), something more insidious, or something overtly racist.
I agree with your general assertion however "racial bias" is a weighted phrase.

A less loaded way of conveying the point is that 100% of humans subconsciously and consciously have preconceived notions, stereotype, and have biases that coincide with whatever categorical distinctions there are in their culture.

As an aside: Stereotypes and prejudgments like "Asians are smarter" and "blacks can dance" aren't positive and harmless, although people assume them to be.

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It can even be "I trust people of my own race more than others" - something that is actually quite natural.
There have been no studies that have found that this is natural.

The tendency to trust those who look like you and/or those who you are used to being around isn't necessarily the same as trusting people of your "own race." Either way, this is very much about socialization, especially since "race" is a social construct that doesn't exist in every society and culture.

Technically, it is only natural for humans to feel most comfortable around other humans. Categorical distinctions like race, gender, and social class are created and aren't "natural."

But people shouldn't reduce the importance of these kinds of findings by saying "everyone does it." because biases range in extent and in the ability for a bias to translate into behavior. I don't care about people's biases because I don't care what's going on in people's heads. What I care about is outward manifestations in terms of individual and institutional level exclusion and unfair treatment. And that doesn't happen equally because not everyone has the power and opportunity to exclude people from public office, jobs, and so forth. Folks can think whatever they want to, just don't try to impact my life chances based on your opinions.
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"Asians are smarter"
i thought this was true
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i thought this was true
Which makes the dumb Asians not Asian enough.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:17 PM
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wait...deja vu?
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Which makes the dumb Asians not Asian enough.
they're not.

those are azns.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:18 PM
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wait...deja vu?
oh yea, i'm waiting on FB.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:20 PM
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they're not.

those are azns.
Have you had to snatch a lot of "Asian cards" from nondeserving Asians?

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oh yea, i'm waiting on FB.
Time keeps on ticking.....
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