Nothing is fair about Florida and Michigan - Page 2

TorrentRain · #16 05-31-2008, 10:43 PM

lol "clusterfudge"

jon1856 · #17 05-31-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

What is a clusterfudge? That sounds like a word Rose Nylund would use! St. Olaf story!

IMVHO it is a polite way of posting another term

Should be able to locate it somewhere on one of the links here, along with
FUBAR, SNAFU, et al....

Military slang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_slang

Thetagirl218 · #18 05-31-2008, 11:40 PM

My thoughts......

1. Are they going to seat the Superdelgates from either state? IMO they should not....

2. All this bickering is just helping McCain

3. Why did they make the rules if they were going to break them?

PhiGam · #19 06-01-2008, 01:45 AM

How can anyone say that they shouldn't seat the delegates from FL?

1. A fair primary was held with everyone on the ballot, Obama didn't campaign here because he knew that he would get his butt whooped and if he pretended like he didn't try to win FL and MI then the DNC would have to do something to accomodate him.

2. Florida is a state that decided the Presidential race in 2000 and played a big role in 2004. As a state that is split about 55/45 republican it could easily go blue this year due to the unpopularity of the Bush white house.

The DNC got exactly what they wanted out of this- an insurmountable Obama lead.

Leslie Anne · #20 06-01-2008, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Thetagirl218

2. All this bickering is just helping McCain

I completely agree. It's also just really annoying.

DGTess · #21 06-01-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

How can anyone say that they shouldn't seat the delegates from FL?

1. A fair primary was held with everyone on the ballot, Obama didn't campaign here because he knew that he would get his butt whooped and if he pretended like he didn't try to win FL and MI then the DNC would have to do something to accomodate him.

2. Florida is a state that decided the Presidential race in 2000 and played a big role in 2004. As a state that is split about 55/45 republican it could easily go blue this year due to the unpopularity of the Bush white house.

The DNC got exactly what they wanted out of this- an insurmountable Obama lead.

OBama didn't campaign there because the DNC had told Florida their votes wouldn't count if they held their primary when it was scheduled.

Giving anyone ANY votes from Florida, after stating the votes wouldn't count, is patently unfair. Hillary basically told the world she didn't believe the Democrats would stick to their word. Oh, wait .... status quo.

BabyPiNK_FL · #22 06-01-2008, 12:17 PM

Barack shouldn't have gotten any of the FL votes. He was so certain that they "should not count". The fact that we even had delegates already siding for him when they hadn't even resolved this until now grinds my gears. Why should we give anything to him when he didn't care about us? I can't stand him. I don't know what I'll do come November if he's the nominee. Actually, I do kinda have an idea of who I'll vote for.

Senusret I · #23 06-01-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

Barack shouldn't have gotten any of the FL votes. He was so certain that they "should not count". The fact that we even had delegates already siding for him when they hadn't even resolved this until now grinds my gears. Why should we give anything to him when he didn't care about us? I can't stand him. I don't know what I'll do come November if he's the nominee. Actually, I do kinda have an idea of who I'll vote for.

What are you talking about?

PhiGam · #24 06-01-2008, 12:38 PM

He's doomed in FL, Michigan will be interesting. The Union workers love Hillary but I don't know if they'll side with Obama after that stuff he said in Pennsylvania.

Thetagirl218 · #25 06-01-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

He's doomed in FL, Michigan will be interesting. The Union workers love Hillary but I don't know if they'll side with Obama after that stuff he said in Pennsylvania.

I don't know if "doomed" is the right word.... Yes, he is going to have a hard time, but I can see it going either way. Obama is just going to have to work hard.

Major cons against him in FL: He has campaigned in the state since 2004 for various state officials including Charlie Crist and is buddies with Jeb Bush (Who will no doubt come out of the woodwork to support him).

Another con: Voter base: A large Hispanic population that tends to side with Bush, Martinez, and Crist. Also a huge retired, military population; The 2nd largest VA hospital in the country is in my backyard in Tampa Bay.

However, a pro for Obama is that the younger crowd in many of the large city areas like him over McCain. Will that win the state? We shall see...

Ten/Four · #26 06-01-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EE-BO

At this point it is clear to me Obama is going to be the nominee- and I expect that will be confirmed by Thursday of this coming week. Clinton may go to the Credentials Committee, and it might be a good play for her to force Obama to make her VP, but she will not be the nominee.

The outstanding question now is whether Obama can win. I thought he was unelectable before today, and with Hillary supporters angry over what they will see as a breach of the "every vote should count" concept- I expect he is in an even bigger hole than he was before this.

I don't like the idea of Hillary being VP. This whole mess proves she can't fall back. Obama would always be looking over his shoulder trying to figure out what the Clintons were up to. I'd like for her to stay in the Senate. If she really cares about the party she would be more helpful there.

And I don't get Hillary supporters saying that if she wasn't the nominee that they would vote for McCain. They are nothing a like.

fantASTic · #27 06-01-2008, 04:35 PM

Honestly...I think a lot of Hillary supporters, especially women, have decided that if she isn't the nominee, they'll vote for McCain or not vote at all because they're upset that a woman isn't being nominated...which to me is stupid. If Clinton does get the nomination, I won't vote for her, even though I'm a Democrat - but that will be because the Democratic party picked the losing candidate for the nominee. If she had won fair and square, I would vote for her...but she hasn't, and won't.

I also think that Hillary will never be VP for Obama, either - not after all the bullshit she's said about him.

jon1856 · #28 06-01-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fantASTic

Honestly...I think a lot of Hillary supporters, especially women, have decided that if she isn't the nominee, they'll vote for McCain or not vote at all because they're upset that a woman isn't being nominated...which to me is stupid. If Clinton does get the nomination, I won't vote for her, even though I'm a Democrat - but that will be because the Democratic party picked the losing candidate for the nominee. If she had won fair and square, I would vote for her...but she hasn't, and won't.

I also think that Hillary will never be VP for Obama, either - not after all the bullshit she's said about him.

It has been pointed out to me that once the normal human urge of "venting" is over and done, Hillary supporters especially women voters will fully and totally support the parties nominee.

jon1856 · #29 06-01-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

Barack shouldn't have gotten any of the FL votes. He was so certain that they "should not count". The fact that we even had delegates already siding for him when they hadn't even resolved this until now grinds my gears. Why should we give anything to him when he didn't care about us? I can't stand him. I don't know what I'll do come November if he's the nominee. Actually, I do kinda have an idea of who I'll vote for.

I am not sure if I am following your comment very well.
My understanding is that FL State government is is about 2-1 Republican.
And as they lead and control the legislative policy and laws of the State, they are the ones that caused any number of problems.
So I would think any anger should be directed toward that direction.
I find it rather hard to imagine that Barack does not care about the people and population of FL let alone any State.

shinerbock · #30 06-01-2008, 05:53 PM

The amount of people saying they will switch sides will steadily decline leading up to and after the conventions. That said, I think either side would lose to support McCain once this gets up and going. Hillary would be very divisive, and Barack Obama is going to scare moderates before this is over.

But yeah, I don't think the anger regarding the nomination will carry over.