Alicia Keys: Conspiracy Theorist?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I've listened to all of this stuff for a while. I don't need wikipedia to tell me anything. Thanks though.

Sure.

That wasn't a slight at you. But go ahead and claim your "gangsta rap pass."

[Dionysus]

Unrelated to topic...I heard she's bi. That's totally cool with me. Notice that "No One" is gender-neutral.

[macallan25]

Yeah you're right, I do know Elvis was deemed pretty dang lewd back in the day.

Yeah I know about the Dixie Chicks thing for sure. I think all of them lived in and around Austin at one point, not sure if they still do. Were they banned though? I know a lot of radio stations in Texas boycotted them. There was a time when you heard nothing from them. Come to think of it, I can't say that I've heard a Dixie Chicks song on the radio here in years.

[DaemonSeid]

Ok...well let me ask this then....

Does anyone here think that the gov't should take a tougher stance on censorship and the media?


Does anyone here think that there are groups of people are not doing thier job raising thier kids and protecting them from negative images and that it may be a cause of violence that we are seeing?

Are warning labels enough?

ETA: so I am flipping channels...why in HELL is arsenio on Flavor of LOVE???????

and

here is the blender interview in its entirety:

http://www.blender.com/articles/defa...key=21056&pg=2

[macallan25]

No, I don't think the government should. I think warning labels, editing for TV and radio, etc. etc. are quite enough.

I think that parents need to do a better job at keeping the material their children listen to and look at in check.

.....and I really, REALLY hate when music and movies get blamed for bad things that kids do. "Oh my gosh, Timmy was just so horribly influenced by his Cannibal Corpse records that he went and shot a bunch of people." Well???? Why the hell was he allowed to buy the record in the first place? Isn't that your job?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by macallan25

No, I don't think the government should. I think warning labels, editing for TV and radio, etc. etc. are quite enough.

I think that parents need to do a better job at keeping the material their children listen to and look at in check.

.....and I really, REALLY hate when music and movies get blamed for bad things that kids do. "Oh my gosh, Timmy was just so horribly influenced by his Cannibal Corpse records that he went and shot a bunch of people." Well???? Why the hell was he allowed to buy the record in the first place? Isn't that your job?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! right?

I can only imagine what will happen when GTA 4 comes out in a few weeks how many parents will be on that bandwagin (again) saying that it caused ther kids to go into crime....

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! right?

I can only imagine what will happen when GTA 4 comes out in a few weeks how many parents will be on that bandwagin (again) saying that it caused ther kids to go into crime....

Hahaha, true man, true.

I will buy that game when it comes out too. Not gonna lie.
: putspaperbagoverhead

I mean come on. The GTA games are so over the top it's almost comical. I mean, if little Stewart goes into the streets, steals a car, bangs a hooker, and then blows away half of downtown with an unlimited supply of molotov cocktails, rocket launchers, and sub maching guns.....we've got a serious problem. Until then, I'm not buying it.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Hahaha, true man, true.

I will buy that game when it comes out too. Not gonna lie.
: putspaperbagoverhead

I mean come on. The GTA games are so over the top it's almost comical. I mean, if little Stewart goes into the streets, steals a car, bangs a hooker, and then blows away half of downtown with an unlimited supply of molotov cocktails, rocket launchers, and sub maching guns.....we've got a serious problem. Until then, I'm not buying it.

I got mine on reserve too

But...errmmmnyeah...so uhhh..yeah

It trifling the parents that buy this stuff for kids and dont take the time to show them that what they see in these games are NOT real.


Let's revisit Columbine for a sec shall we?

How do you feel about people blaming Doom and games for the shooting?


or....since we are on the subject of media...what about the kid that killed his sister because of something he saw on wrestling?


pssst...what system by the way

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Drole...and this where I am going....we as a society at large are selective as to what we want banned and to be quite honest with you and blunt...as long as rap culture doesn't start affecting affluent populations, it's no big deal...let thme listen to all the hip hop rap that they want....

Aren't the only people who are calling for it to be banned the upper class? The "think of the children" crowd who yells the loudest?

other countries have banned hip hop artists because they state that the genre is having an adverse affect among the population so part of what we in the US need to be observant on is how long will it be before the USA starts taking the same stance...

Seriously? What countries? Because I hope the US never goes down that path.

On a somewhat unrelated note remember the big shift the media took after Nipplegate but yet and still you had Diana Ross feeling Lil Kim up and Madonna kissing Brittany on MTV and no one batted an eye.

The MTV kiss caused quite a stir, just like the "wardrobe malfunction." However the FCC does NOT regulate cable and couldn't do a damn thing about the kiss even if two women kissing was considered as "obscene" as a nipple.

The FCC lost thier minds afterwards because of the 'adverse affect' people said it (Janet's performance) had on kids.

Thank the Parents Television Council, I think that's their name. If you knew how many of the FCC's complaints came from that group, in form letter fashion, you'd wonder why they did anything.

yet and still kids at any time could tune in on an act of violence.

Yep, that's american society. EXCEPT, the FCC regulates the violence allowed on network television.

This is why I said IF the gov't wanted to they could act, but they aren't,instead they are leaving it up to the parents to do it (which in some cases, parents should)

Yes and no. Broadcast stations are held to different standards and I do not want the government regulating cable. Parents should be responsible in ALL situations.

And of course while watching the 7pm episode it starts off with someone getting shot up in a diner...and not 5 mins after I finished typing my ETA up a kid blows his brains out...and it's only 7:15 pm.

Yes and the graphicness of that violence is carefully crafted around the government's regulations and would not have been shown before "prime time" ANything more graphic would be shown after 10 or 11pm.

Drole...something to consider

The American media has been slowly letting the genie over the bottle over the past 1/2 century

Think....

50 years ago married couples on TV slept in separate beds, 25 years ago the same beds....today you can find an interacial gay couple almost in the nude in bed in 8pm time slot (not trying to be offensive to gay people...just trying to make a point!)

Yes and thankfully we can all stop pretending that couples sleep in separate beds wearing full PJs and children just show up out of no where.

50 years ago it was all about gee willikers and aww shucks....25 years ago....you heard damn....20 years ago joan Collins gave bitch a brand new meaning and today unless you are watching a paid premium channel you wont hear shit or fuck (altho I still think about the South Park episode!!) and depending on the show you can hear the n word.

On CABLE which is outside of the FCC's rules.

I can go on and you see where I am going with this...it's just that when it comes to who should be allowing what it's a 2 faced beast...on one hand the FCC limits certain things but appears helpless to stop others....

It's the cable thing. Also your'e talking about everything BUT violence which is the issue at hand it seems.

yes....the responsibility falls mostly on the parents but when we are talking about parents who are desensitized and raised on most of this also...who can really say?

So those parents are not capable of being responsible parents?

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Heck even Elvis was banned in some localities back in the day for lewdness

And personally, I'm glad we don't live in Pleasantville still.

Oh and BTW remember the Dixie Chix got banned for anti Bush lyrics. (I stand corrected...they were banned by thier company...not the gov't...however thier ban caused a senate hearing to be convened to see if what happened was legal)

Because it was a big to do about whether criticizing the government led to losing your job. There've been problems with that in the country before. As we all know though they hold hearings on baseball, that doesn't mean a heck of a lot.

what I will say tho...is that there are many other countries that have a heavier stance towards banning US artists and thier performance of their music in thier country...

Such as?

Does anyone here think that the gov't should take a tougher stance on censorship and the media?

The opposite in fact.

Does anyone here think that there are groups of people are not doing thier job raising thier kids and protecting them from negative images and that it may be a cause of violence that we are seeing?

Nope. I've seen repeated studies that do not show increased violent behavior after watching violence. I think that America's love affair with violence is something people should stop and consider before letting their kid see an R rated movie because, well it's violent but there's no sex.

Are warning labels enough?

Certainly, they inform parents and consumers and they're voluntary.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

It trifling the parents that buy this stuff for kids and dont take the time to show them that what they see in these games are NOT real.

And that's the problem, the parents.

Let's revisit Columbine for a sec shall we?

How do you feel about people blaming Doom and games for the shooting?

That Jack Thompson and his ilk are morons. The accepted bullying of children by children by adults had much more effect, but the ultimate responsibility lies in those who acted.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I got mine on reserve too

But...errmmmnyeah...so uhhh..yeah

It trifling the parents that buy this stuff for kids and dont take the time to show them that what they see in these games are NOT real.

Let's revisit Columbine for a sec shall we?

How do you feel about people blaming Doom and games for the shooting?

or....since we are on the subject of media...what about the kid that killed his sister because of something he saw on wrestling?

pssst...what system by the way

I'll probably get it on the PS3.

Columbine? Well blaming Doom is dumb. It's a fictional game where you go around shooting snarling space beasts. Haha, I mean seriously. These kids were problems before the shootings. Where were the parents in all of this? I mean breaking into cars, stealing, the stuff they were doing on the internet, the threats, having someone buy all of these guns????? I'm sorry, but if I acted like that my parents would have some serious, serious concerns. I probably would have been shipped off to military school to be honest. I just have no clue how they did all of this stuff without their parents noticing. Hell, my folks knew about things I did before I even did them, haha.

As for the kid and the wrestling...that's just terrible and so tragic. I don't know what to think about that.

[macallan25]

Haha, I actually went and read some about them after I made that post. You are right about them making up the mod. They were called the "Harris Levels" or something like that.

Yeah man, you made perfect sense, and I definitely agree.

[starang21]

well, she still looks good

[macallan25]

I most certainly will. Ha.