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03-03-2008, 01:56 PM
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There are definitely academically elite institutions that do not have Phi Beta Kappa chapters. USMA, USNA, USAFA are absent as well as Caltech, arguably one of the finest engineering schools in the country. PBK doesn't recognize many programs that lead to professional degrees such as engineering (which knocks out the 4 I mentioned).
I also see many schools on that list that are not exactly known for their academic prowess.
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03-03-2008, 01:58 PM
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It's just active. (Which I agree with -- no use counting where you have a closed chapter for this list.)
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03-03-2008, 02:02 PM
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So this thread sucks.
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03-03-2008, 02:08 PM
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Some of these schools are great and would be considered "elite" by nonPBK standards.
However, some of these colleges and universities aren't considered "elite" by nonPBK standards. In fact, I would chuckle if people from some of these colleges and universities called themselves "elite."
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03-03-2008, 02:23 PM
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Some of these schools are great and would be considered "elite" by nonPBK standards.
However, some of these colleges and universities aren't considered "elite" by nonPBK standards. In fact, I would chuckle if people from some of these colleges and universities called themselves "elite."
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I'm laughing at the notion that all schools that have PBK chapters are "elite".
There's at least 17 PBK chapters in PA (I didn't count too closely). They're not at "bad" schools, but most of those schools are not what anyone could be considered "elite".
A good exercise in correlation does not equal causation.
The OP seems to constantly be striving to find some sort of measuring stick by which to compare GLOs and figure out how they all measure up.
While history is interesting, this isn't really historic. It's like the which sorority is the best because it has more fireplaces in its house. (anyone remember that one?). Two things which really aren't related in any way, and particularly aren't related in terms of success.
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03-03-2008, 02:32 PM
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The OP seems to constantly be striving to find some sort of measuring stick by which to compare GLOs and figure out how they all measure up.
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And that never plays well here where any mention other than "no matter the letter we're all Greeks together" is rebuffed.
oldu, I appreciate your time and effort and find your threads interesting and informative.
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03-03-2008, 02:41 PM
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And that never plays well here where any mention other than "no matter the letter we're all Greeks together" is rebuffed.
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If you find this concept so offensive, why are you still here instead of posting at Fratty?
(I think I know the answer, but I'll throw it open to see some other opinions.)
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03-03-2008, 02:46 PM
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And that never plays well here where any mention other than "no matter the letter we're all Greeks together" is rebuffed.
oldu, I appreciate your time and effort and find your threads interesting and informative.
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There's a middle ground to be had. And, as 33girl said, if you don't like it here and want to discuss how you and your GLO are better than everyone else, why don't you find an appropriate venue for that?
You can discuss and compare sororities without putting down those other than your own, acting like one is better than another. It's all subjective.
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I don't think all comparisons are subjective.
Look at grades. Panhellenics around the country publish the collective grades of all active chapters on their campus. It's not the be-all-end-all, but it's an example of an objective comparison and I don't see anything wrong with that.
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I would include the NPHC groups if I could locate a good chapter listing for each organization. They do not seem to be listed on the national sites. How about someone be energetic enough to do one of those "all the chapters ever" lists for each of the NPHC fraternities & sororities. By the way I do these kinds of postings because I think it is healthy for us to constantly compare our success (or lack of) with others. Good healthy competition is what makes us better.
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I like oldu's posts. I don't think he/she's putting down or ranking any of the groups. Oldu is simply stating facts. Look at AEPhi. They are not one of the "larger" NPC groups yet they are careful where they put their chapters and it shows by the fact that they are at so many PBK schools.
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By the way I do these kinds of postings because I think it is healthy for us to constantly compare our success (or lack of) with others. Good healthy competition is what makes us better.
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I like oldu's posts. I don't think he/she's putting down or ranking any of the groups. Oldu is simply stating facts. Look at AEPhi. They are not one of the "larger" NPC groups yet they are careful where they put their chapters and it shows by the fact that they are at so many PBK schools.
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You are both missing the point. Just because a school has a PBK chapter, doesn't mean it is of higher caliber than a school that doesn't - or a place where Greeks would necessarily succeed. Wilson College, for example. I don't think the home of the Women With Children program is going to be a hotbed of Greek life. I don't think sororities and fraternities are going to be falling over themselves to be colonizing at some of these schools just because there is a PBK chapter.
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03-03-2008, 03:22 PM
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Phi Beta Kappa is an academic honor society. Their governing board that charters and oversees their chapters at various educational institutions isn't going by the percentage of students that pledged a social GLO.
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Phi Beta Kappa is an academic honor society. Their governing board that charters and oversees their chapters at various educational institutions isn't going by the percentage of students that pledged a social GLO.
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Which is exactly why this thread is pointless.
It doesn't matter if every kid in the school is smarter than Einstein if they all think Greeks are the Devil. Maybe there are chapters at some of these schools, but maybe they also are the size of a baby pea and constantly struggling to stay open. Some of these schools are places we've discussed on here as terrible risk management risks. Just having a chapter at a PBK-possessing school doesn't make the GLO "stronger" if the chapter is a terrible ROI.
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I would include the NPHC groups if I could locate a good chapter listing for each organization. They do not seem to be listed on the national sites. How about someone be energetic enough to do one of those "all the chapters ever" lists for each of the NPHC fraternities & sororities.
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NPHC isn't a factor in any of your threads.
And, no, I won't be the one getting Delta's chapter listing for the purpose of this discussion because this topic isn't that interesting.
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