Greek Social Life - Then and Now

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

We were just discussing this last night with my niece who is a sophomore. She is not Greek, but attends many fraternity parties.

Themed Gatherings:
-Now: Cops and Robbers (girls in booty shorts and low-cut tops with push-up Bras). "_____ and Ho" (Golf Pros and Tennis Hos, Pimp and Ho, CEOs and Office Hos). 80s themes (explained to her that we didn't wear mini skirts up to our ass), Trailer Trash
-Then: Luau, Double-vision, Fiesta, Toga, Disco Fever, Flash Dance, Preppy, Caddy Shack, Casino, Old West.


Formals:
-Now: Buy a new dress and jewelry. Have hair and makeup done. Manicure and Pedicure. Rent limo or ride in luxury bus. Afterparty in a hotel suite with a jacuzzi.
-Then: Swap your last formal dress with a sister and borrow jewelry off someone else. Do your own hair and makeup. Paint your nails and maybe your toe nails too. Date meets you at the house and you board one of the busses. Afterparty in someone's off-campus apartment


Alcohol and Drugs
-Now: Beer and Hard Liquor, Crystal Meth, Crack, Heroin, Ritalin
-Then: Beer, Grain Alcohol, a little pot, Coffee


Sex
-Now: You carry condoms on you at all times and you hook up very casually with anyone, of any sex, and everyone knows. Walk of shame is shamless. Worry is HIV and STDs
-Then (note: AIDS had just been identified): Girls who were pinned and lavaliered spent the night with their BFs, everyone knows. Girl hooks up with someone after a date party and only roommate knows. Walk of Shame was shameful. Worry was pregnancy and STDs

Also,

-Now Cyber Stalking
-Then Catty Bitch down the hall calls you names

-Now Crazy Students shoot up classrooms
-Then Crazy Girls shoot you with mace

Bottom line. It's very different. In some ways it's good (better transportation around campus, the food options are greater, you can email, text or call your friend's cell). It's also bad...too easy to spend time surfing the internet, they get less exercise, it's easier to cheat on tests.

Whoa...my now...
Theme parties/mixers: white trash (the most scandalous thing here seemed to be crop tops), secs and sexecs (same as above), luau (tank tops and jeans, maybe a skirt)...

Formal: Borrow a dress or wear one from high school...buy one if you're lucky. Get sisters to do your make up and hair, go to the formal with everyone, leave with everyone, party after at the local bar or someone's house.

Alcohol/Drugs: The normal booze, and pot here and there (though rarely among any sorority on our campus...it's a good way to get kicked out). I haven't seen coke, acid, or x since high school. I've never run into heroin or meth. And I'll admit it...I've got some VERY sketchy friends.

Sex: Double standard never fails. Girl gets pregnant and married...ok. Girl gets pregnant and doesn't know who the daddy is and people are talking three years later. STDs are a real concern. Sororities get very irritated with blatant sluts. Walk of shame is never taken by a Greek girl unless she wants to relieve the whispers and stares every time she walks into a party. I know of two females who carry condoms with them. Neither are greek...anymore. Go figure.

Cyber stalking? This is a REGULAR occurance?

How often does that happen?

Maybe she needs to REALLY rethink her current school...

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

We were just discussing this last night with my niece who is a sophomore. She is not Greek, but attends many fraternity parties.

Themed Gatherings:
-Now: Cops and Robbers (girls in booty shorts and low-cut tops with push-up Bras). "_____ and Ho" (Golf Pros and Tennis Hos, Pimp and Ho, CEOs and Office Hos). 80s themes (explained to her that we didn't wear mini skirts up to our ass), Trailer Trash
-Then: Luau, Double-vision, Fiesta, Toga, Disco Fever, Flash Dance, Preppy, Caddy Shack, Casino, Old West.


Formals:
-Now: Buy a new dress and jewelry. Have hair and makeup done. Manicure and Pedicure. Rent limo or ride in luxury bus. Afterparty in a hotel suite with a jacuzzi.
-Then: Swap your last formal dress with a sister and borrow jewelry off someone else. Do your own hair and makeup. Paint your nails and maybe your toe nails too. Date meets you at the house and you board one of the busses. Afterparty in someone's off-campus apartment


Alcohol and Drugs
-Now: Beer and Hard Liquor, Crystal Meth, Crack, Heroin, Ritalin
-Then: Beer, Grain Alcohol, a little pot, Coffee


Sex
-Now: You carry condoms on you at all times and you hook up very casually with anyone, of any sex, and everyone knows. Walk of shame is shamless. Worry is HIV and STDs
-Then (note: AIDS had just been identified): Girls who were pinned and lavaliered spent the night with their BFs, everyone knows. Girl hooks up with someone after a date party and only roommate knows. Walk of Shame was shameful. Worry was pregnancy and STDs

Also,

-Now Cyber Stalking
-Then Catty Bitch down the hall calls you names

-Now Crazy Students shoot up classrooms
-Then Crazy Girls shoot you with mace

Bottom line. It's very different. In some ways it's good (better transportation around campus, the food options are greater, you can email, text or call your friend's cell). It's also bad...too easy to spend time surfing the internet, they get less exercise, it's easier to cheat on tests.

Themes now: Luau, Naughty Santa at Christmas, the ho ones you mentioned. Rarely does anyone go all out and be completely slutty, though. And it's usually not sorority girls that do it.

Formals now: Wear a dress from high school or swap. Maybe go to Goodwill if you want a new one, or a thrift shop. Do your own hair and makeup or have a sister do it for you. Your date drives you to formal. Party afterwards somewhere else.

Alcohol and drugs now: beer, liquor, maybe weed, but definitely not in front of everyone. People who are doing that are sneaking out and doing it, or going upstairs with someone who lives there.

Sex now: I know of no females who carry condoms. STDs are a concern for girls who hook up, but not really pregnancy. The walk of shame is VERY real.


I think you need to talk to your niece about her life choices, if she thinks these things are okay.

[alum]

OP (since I think you are a Hokie alum based on your alias), the following is for you if your kids end up in VA schools, public or private. In terms of alcohol consumption, law enforcement officials are known to breathalyze suspicious-behavior pedestrians on weekends at many campuses in the Commonwealth of VA.

A couple of college forums that I frequent have had posts from OOS parents who were surprised at the strict MIP interpretation within our fine state.

[lillady85]

Honestly, BG, a lot of what your niece says is kind of over the top. I don't know of a single girl who carries around condoms with her. Yeah, that's my personal experience so it's not a scientific study but there seems to always be a generational gap in what actually is happening out there and what seems to be exaggerated. The walk of shame? Still happens, its out there. A lot has to deal with campus culture as well. My previous college was in the middle of the cornfields and a lot of beer and pot was taken in. My school now? Smoking a joint around the corner of the Sears tower is not going to happen. But it's easier to get heroin in chicago then it is in nowheresville Small state.

As for the school shootings, not to be dismissive nor play them down in any way, but they are NOT a regular occurrence. We've had how many in the past year? But suddenly they are a part of college life? I don't think so.

It just seems that college kids are portrayed as a bunch of meth smoking, gun toting, bisexual, internet addicted boozeheads. A lot of it is just pure exaggeration that scares parents to no end.

Sorry, but its annoying. Especially with what someone said about 'rainbow parties'? Ai. Stop watching Oprah and talk to your kids instead.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by lillady85

Honestly, BG, a lot of what your niece says is kind of over the top. I don't know of a single girl who carries around condoms with her. Yeah, that's my personal experience so it's not a scientific study but there seems to always be a generational gap in what actually is happening out there and what seems to be exaggerated. The walk of shame? Still happens, its out there. A lot has to deal with campus culture as well. My previous college was in the middle of the cornfields and a lot of beer and pot was taken in. My school now? Smoking a joint around the corner of the Sears tower is not going to happen. But it's easier to get heroin in chicago then it is in nowheresville Small state .

Ewwww, what kind of nasty girl doesn't carry around condoms with her? She probably has 15 kids and more microbes than a mattress at Motel 6. Girls, look both ways before crossing the streets and crossing the sheets. Be safe, not sorry, USE condoms!

I never understood whats shameful about the Walk of Shame. That means you got some DICK!

Originally Posted by lillady85

It just seems that college kids are portrayed as a bunch of meth smoking, gun toting, bisexual, internet addicted boozeheads. A lot of it is just pure exaggeration that scares parents to no end.

Sorry, but its annoying. Especially with what someone said about 'rainbow parties'? Ai. Stop watching Oprah and talk to your kids instead.

Why do bisexuals have to be grouped with metheads, gun toters, dorky internet addicts? They just want to love.

[lillady85]

I don't know if you meant it as a joke or not but, I didn't mean that bisexuals are in the same category as meth smokers. It's just another one of those labels that parents of college kids today put on kids as something that you 'do' in college. There are truly bisexual people, and then there are people who are bisexual Thursday thru Sunday nights, for specific reasons.

It's a "oh no! Jane/Johnny is drinking and having ridiculously casual sex! Let's shield them lest they do anything else!" reactions after hearing about rainbow parties or middle schools giving condoms. I'm all for the condoms. But let's not make it seem like kids now are having more sex than ever before. Seriously. It just wasn't talked about before the way it is now.


As for the WoS...I keep my head up after I do anything. :-P

[rufio]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

I never understood whats shameful about the Walk of Shame. That means you got some DICK!

haha Dionysus FTW. that just made my night.

[SNBullet]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

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I have to throw in here as a fraternity guy who has a house.

Themed Gatherings:
-Now: Cops and Robbers (girls in booty shorts and low-cut tops with push-up Bras). "_____ and Ho" (Golf Pros and Tennis Hos, Pimp and Ho, CEOs and Office Hos). 80s themes (explained to her that we didn't wear mini skirts up to our ass), Trailer Trash
-Then: Luau, Double-vision, Fiesta, Toga, Disco Fever, Flash Dance, Preppy, Caddy Shack, Casino, Old West.

For the most part this is true but we still do old school throwbacks. we have a partys with some soros that we have been doing since the 70's.

Formals:
-Now: Buy a new dress and jewelry. Have hair and makeup done. Manicure and Pedicure. Rent limo or ride in luxury bus. Afterparty in a hotel suite with a jacuzzi.
-Then: Swap your last formal dress with a sister and borrow jewelry off someone else. Do your own hair and makeup. Paint your nails and maybe your toe nails too. Date meets you at the house and you board one of the busses. Afterparty in someone's off-campus apartment

Most guys in my frat have girls. I dont know why you would need a limo to get to a formal. We have ours at our house and the Sorors have theirs on campus.

Alcohol and Drugs
-Now: Beer and Hard Liquor, Crystal Meth, Crack, Heroin, Ritalin
-Then: Beer, Grain Alcohol, a little pot, Coffee

I have never seen anything harder then pot, and i have only heard of coke in very limited numbers. This is very much in the category of IDOC. Sure, friends of mine who go to St Josephs(PA) or Rutgers have to deal with harder stuff because they are in the city, but even then its not widespread. I have never heard of Meth or Heroin at any college.

Sex
-Now: You carry condoms on you at all times and you hook up very casually with anyone, of any sex, and everyone knows. Walk of shame is shamless. Worry is HIV and STDs
-Then (note: AIDS had just been identified): Girls who were pinned and lavaliered spent the night with their BFs, everyone knows. Girl hooks up with someone after a date party and only roommate knows. Walk of Shame was shameful. Worry was pregnancy and STDs

Walk of shame is still shamful. Many frats sit on their roofs and take pictures of the girls on saturday and sunday mornings and put them on the webspace. The amount of "casual" hookups is not nearly as high as you say it is. Maybe its because my brothers dont have any game, but there are parties where the only action comes from gf's in thier bf;s rooms. Also, girls dont carry condoms, the guys do.

And to Dino, girls not carrying condoms is not dirty, its the guys job to worry about that. If he doesnt have one, he gets nothing.

Also,

-Now Cyber Stalking
-Then Catty Bitch down the hall calls you names

I dont really think cyberstalking is as widespread as Dateline makes it out to be.

-Now Crazy Students shoot up classrooms
-Then Crazy Girls shoot you with mace

Im sorry, but school shooting are in no way common. There have been 8 big shootings at colleges since 1960. Hell, i go to college in PA, and pretty much every townie has a gun, and many students do as well. the local HS gets off the first day of Deer season, and somehow we manage to survive. it is hard getting to class with all that lead flying, but you get used to it.

Bottom line. It's very different. In some ways it's good (better transportation around campus, the food options are greater, you can email, text or call your friend's cell). It's also bad...too easy to spend time surfing the internet, they get less exercise, it's easier to cheat on tests.

Its not that much different. yeah there are thing we have to worry about, but but nothing more then usual. Drug use is down since the 60's and 70's on college campuses. its not as accepted anymore. Basically, since the application of the 21 drinking age, alchohol has replaced drugs on Colleges everywhere.

[33girl]

I'm sorry, I got stuck on crack. Are there really college kids doing crack? That whole concept is gross.

A lot of this depends on where you go to college. I'm betting my college in the late 80s was a lot like the late 70s was for people at bigger schools nearer cities in terms of sex, drugs, etc. It was hardly the "just say no" era some people think the 80s were. As I've said many times, we were like Woodstock only w/ better hygiene and nicer clothes.

Oh, and there was LSD, cocaine, pills and heroin around when I went to school, too - it just was discreet (as opposed to alcohol & pot). As far as the condoms - EVERYONE should be carrying them. Period. It's not a moral issue, it's a public health issue.

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

80s themes (explained to her that we didn't wear mini skirts up to our ass)

Umm, speak for yourself. If you got it (or should I say had it), flaunt it. We wore pantyhose under them though, unless it was boiling hot (which didn't happen often in northwest PA). The no hose and sitting your nearly bare butt on heaven knows what is the part that grosses me out.

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by SNBullet

Also, girls dont carry condoms, the guys do.

And to Dino, girls not carrying condoms is not dirty, its the guys job to worry about that. If he doesnt have one, he gets nothing.

How, in 2007, with all we know about STDs, and the still too-high number of unwanted teen pregnancies, can anyone say that it is "the guys' job"? Ignorant, ignorant, ignorant!

Seriously, girls, protect yourself. If there is any chance in hell of you hooking up, carry your own protection. Alcohol impairs judgment, and in the heat of the moment, more people are likely to chance it than stop what they're doing.

This is why there are still so many nasty STDs and sexually-transmitted AIDS and unwanted preganancies. (And don't preach to me that no birth control is 100% effective. I am talking about blatant NON USE of condoms).

/end soapbox preaching

[InseparableDI]

Themed Gatherings:
-Now: Cops and Robbers (girls in booty shorts and low-cut tops with push-up Bras). "_____ and Ho" (Golf Pros and Tennis Hos, Pimp and Ho, CEOs and Office Hos). 80s themes (explained to her that we didn't wear mini skirts up to our ass), Trailer Trash
-Then: Luau, Double-vision, Fiesta, Toga, Disco Fever, Flash Dance, Preppy, Caddy Shack, Casino, Old West.

The themes seem right, although i think its a slight exaggeration onthe extent of "lack of clothing"

Formals:
-Now: Buy a new dress and jewelry. Have hair and makeup done. Manicure and Pedicure. Rent limo or ride in luxury bus. Afterparty in a hotel suite with a jacuzzi.
-Then: Swap your last formal dress with a sister and borrow jewelry off someone else. Do your own hair and makeup. Paint your nails and maybe your toe nails too. Date meets you at the house and you board one of the busses. Afterparty in someone's off-campus apartment

Our formal is either on a boat cruise, where we take a bus to the boat and then come back and hang out in someones apartment, or its off campus in a hotel and we stay the night. People buy or borrow dresses, and most do their own hair and makeup.


Alcohol and Drugs
-Now: Beer and Hard Liquor, Crystal Meth, Crack, Heroin, Ritalin
-Then: Beer, Grain Alcohol, a little pot, Coffee

I've never seen people in greek life doing more than pot. There are rumors about certain fraternities about some coke, but crystal meth, crack, heroin? not so much

Sex
-Now: You carry condoms on you at all times and you hook up very casually with anyone, of any sex, and everyone knows. Walk of shame is shamless. Worry is HIV and STDs
-Then (note: AIDS had just been identified): Girls who were pinned and lavaliered spent the night with their BFs, everyone knows. Girl hooks up with someone after a date party and only roommate knows. Walk of Shame was shameful. Worry was pregnancy and STDs

Yeah, ive never seen someone walking around with condoms. Its still embarrassing to do a walk of shame, especially at my smaller campus where everyone finds out.

Also,

-Now Cyber Stalking
-Then Catty Bitch down the hall calls you names

Never heard of people experiencing this


-Now Crazy Students shoot up classrooms
-Then Crazy Girls shoot you with mace

this isnt that prevalent, is it?

[MaggieXi]

Themed Gatherings:
-Now: Cops and Robbers (girls in booty shorts and low-cut tops with push-up Bras). "_____ and Ho" (Golf Pros and Tennis Hos, Pimp and Ho, CEOs and Office Hos). 80s themes (explained to her that we didn't wear mini skirts up to our ass), Trailer Trash
-Then: Luau, Double-vision, Fiesta, Toga, Disco Fever, Flash Dance, Preppy, Caddy Shack, Casino, Old West.

We had Golf Pros/Tennis Hos but most of the girls ended up wearing tennis skirts and polos or cardigans with name tags like "Buffy". Octoberfest - which was a lot of shorts with suspenders and knee socks. Most fraternity mixers were in 70s garb, heven and hell (dress like a devil or angel) and Ski Bunnies and Instructors where everyone dressed up in ski gear or thermals. Yes there are girls out there that dress a little more pervocative, but not the majority!

Formals:
-Now: Buy a new dress and jewelry. Have hair and makeup done. Manicure and Pedicure. Rent limo or ride in luxury bus. Afterparty in a hotel suite with a jacuzzi.
-Then: Swap your last formal dress with a sister and borrow jewelry off someone else. Do your own hair and makeup. Paint your nails and maybe your toe nails too. Date meets you at the house and you board one of the busses. Afterparty in someone's off-campus apartment

We swaped dresses with each other or other members of sororities we were friends with. Some people would go get new dresses but it certainly wasn't a must. We usually did our own hair or makeup -- the seniors might all go get their nails done together if it was their last formal. We took a bus to formal and a bus back. Most after partys were people sitting around in their pjs eating pizza and rehashing the night.

Alcohol and Drugs
-Now: Beer and Hard Liquor, Crystal Meth, Crack, Heroin, Ritalin
-Then: Beer, Grain Alcohol, a little pot, Coffee

Beer, hard liqour, grain alchohol, and pot were popular. There was some coke use you would hear about, but that could have been rumors or if there was use it was pretty hush hush.

Sex
-Now: You carry condoms on you at all times and you hook up very casually with anyone, of any sex, and everyone knows. Walk of shame is shamless. Worry is HIV and STDs
-Then (note: AIDS had just been identified): Girls who were pinned and lavaliered spent the night with their BFs, everyone knows. Girl hooks up with someone after a date party and only roommate knows. Walk of Shame was shameful. Worry was pregnancy and STDs

Walk of shame is still shamful, if you its a known random hook-up. The stereotype from the 60s and 70s was "free love" -- I think its less free love now then then. People are more knowledgable about STDs, AIDS and safe sex.
Also,

-Now Cyber Stalking
-Then Catty Bitch down the hall calls you names

Cyber stalking, I'll give you that one. The catty bitch on your hall -- well isn't there always one?

-Now Crazy Students shoot up classrooms
-Then Crazy Girls shoot you with mace

Im sorry, but school shooting are in no way common. There have been 8 big shootings at colleges since 1960.


I think it basically comes down to the greek member and how they were raised and the institution they attend.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by lillady85

Sorry, but its annoying. Especially with what someone said about 'rainbow parties'? Ai. Stop watching Oprah and talk to your kids instead.

I was agreeing with you. My aunt (who has no kids, thus not in touch) was the one who thought all teenagers had rainbow parties after seeing it on Oprah, not Benzgirl.

[AnchorAlumna]

Any college student doing meth or crack isn't going to be a college student very long.

[kathykd2005]

True, very true...