FSU Cheating Scandal

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

theres a place called Las Vegas where you're allowed to do it

Yes, if you are physically there and over the age of 21.

Theres also this thing called the internet that you're allowed to gamble on.

see below

Originally Posted by lyrelyre

This is not exactly settled just yet. The UIGEA has been passed but still a gray area.

Exactly. It's a VERY gray area. And the NCAA has worked to get even legal betting in Vegas ended on college sports, it is so strongly against it.

Unethical...

And there we have it. Doing your school and letters proud. (and telling the world about it, good job!)

[PhiGam]

From someone who used to play poker as a job, I can talk about the UIGEA all day and tell you that the UIGEA did not criminalize internet gambling. It was simply an attempt by the government to act like they actually care, they only succeeded in shutting down PartyPoker, and their players went to other sites.
FSU is and always will be my favorite team, I would sacrifice anything to see them back on top. 31 winning seasons in a row and having the longest bowl streak in the country speak to how phenomenal this program is, not to mention having the all time winningest coach. Right now they are rebuilding, they have the 3rd best recruiting class right now and are expecting more commits in the coming months (cant say anything specific but when the dust settles they will have a top 3 recruiting class.) It deeply pains me to see them down, even if it is just for a little bit. I know that us being down isn't the same as when Penn State is down and only wins a couple games, but that just shows that Bowden is one of the greatest coaches of all time.
Say whatever you want about my actions, the bottom line is that I made a smart bet. And do not ever take my quotes out of context again, if you want to say something then please at least have the common courtesy of showing the entire sentence and not one word. If you only knew about pride in your letters...

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

And do not ever take my quotes out of context again

Ooo. LOL. 'kay.

if you want to say something then please at least have the common courtesy of showing the entire sentence and not one word.

OK, there's the rest of your sentence. Including the rest of the original sentence wouldn't have taken away from your own use of "unethical" in describing what you and the boosters you're lumping in with yourself are doing.

Say whatever you want about my actions, the bottom line is that I made a smart bet.

'Kay, here's what I want to say -- you'll sell out your home team to make a buck while professing your heartfelt love and loyalty.

It deeply pains me to see them down, even if it is just for a little bit.

But not enough to keep you from betting against them. Nice.

I know that us being down isn't the same as when Penn State is down and only wins a couple games

Ooo. Burn. And I'll take JoePa over Bowden any day. Wins don't equal class and building successful individuals in addition to a valuable program. Joe still believes his players are in school for an education first and foremost.

[Benzgirl]

I still think Joe Pa should be up for sainthood

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

I still think Joe Pa should be up for sainthood

See? And that's from an Ohio State fan!!!!

[Benzgirl]

Jo Pa is my number 3 favorite coach of all time. Only Lou Holtz and Tressel are above him.
That says a lot

[lyrelyre]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

From someone who used to play poker as a job, I can talk about the UIGEA all day and tell you that the UIGEA did not criminalize internet gambling.

Congratulations?

I didn't suggest that the UIGEA criminalized anything. I simply said it was a gray area.

[PhiGam]

Bobby Bowden is the best recruiter to ever live, and the second best coach (Bear Bryant).

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Ooo. LOL. 'kay.

OK, there's the rest of your sentence. Including the rest of the original sentence wouldn't have taken away from your own use of "unethical" in describing what you and the boosters you're lumping in with yourself are doing.

'Kay, here's what I want to say -- you'll sell out your home team to make a buck while professing your heartfelt love and loyalty.

But not enough to keep you from betting against them. Nice.

Ooo. Burn. And I'll take JoePa over Bowden any day. Wins don't equal class and building successful individuals in addition to a valuable program. Joe still believes his players are in school for an education first and foremost.

Holy shit, would you give it a rest? Does the fact that we gamble on college sports, away from Vegas, really irritate you that much? Enough for you to respond to every sentence he wrote in multiple posts?

Also, "Widespread illegal gambling"? He's not associated with the mafia chief. Small time bookie operations are everywhere. They are common place. They are done in colleges. They are done in fraternities. They are done in everyday life. If you don't think more than a majority of people know and don't give a rat's ass about "illegal gambling" then you need a wakeup call. Hell, ESPN practically gives you a blue print every week on how to orchestrate a fantasy football season. You don't think people just play it for sticks of gum and plastic trophies do you? I just watched an entire special on ESPN devoted to picking winners for a College Bowl Pick 'Em.

.........and also, betting on college sports in Vegas will NEVER go away. Ever. The powers that be will never, in their lifetime, see that happen. Too popular, too much money.

Here, let me try: I bet on NFL football, college football, PGA golf, and college basketball on a regular basis. I use a bookie located right here in Austin. If the IRS and FBI come knock on my door because I professed this heinous "crime" on the intertronz....I'll be the first to let you know.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Holy shit, would you give it a rest?

Nah, he seems pretty tough. He can take it.

Does the fact that we gamble

I didn't know you were taking it personally, I was just calling the guy on betting against his beloved home team.

Enough for you to respond to every sentence he wrote in multiple posts?

Oh, sorry, does that annoy you?

I bet on NFL football, college football, PGA golf, and college basketball on a regular basis. I use a bookie located right here in Austin. If the IRS and FBI come knock on my door because I professed this heinous "crime" on the intertronz....I'll be the first to let you know.

Sounds like a plan.

[PhiGam]

The fact that I have money riding on the game won't affect which team I cheer for. Thanks for your concern though, Nittany. Your posts remind me of arguing with my 16 year old sister.
Macallan, I appreciate someone with common sense posting in this thread.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Now I know you're a fan and all, and even I think he's a good guy. But don't you mean WAS.

All time is a culmination of the last 34 years, right now we have the #5 recruiting class, not bad for an unranked team. Isn't there supposed to be a mutual reverence for each others' programs here? Don't sell me out to a Big 10 poster, they don't know what real football looks like.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

The fact that I have money riding on the game won't affect which team I cheer for. Thanks for your concern though, Nittany. Your posts remind me of arguing with my 16 year old sister.
Macallan, I appreciate someone with common sense posting in this thread.

Same here. I generally don't bet on us (Texas) ever, but if I'm feeling that it would be a good idea to, I have no problem betting on us to win or cover.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I was just calling the guy on betting against his beloved home team.

Lesson I learned the hard way: You don't bet with your heart, you bet with your head. If that means betting against your alma mater, so be it.

Michigan State is my second favorite school, after OU, but given their record and the odds, I know better than to place a bet just because of that.

[KSig RC]

The UIGEA has no "gray area" for actually being the one placing a wager or playing poker - the bill specifically carves out exceptions for the player, and does NOT make it illegal to play/wager.

The bill is "supply-side" but not in the player sense - instead it makes it illegal for banking operations to allow transfers to known Internet gambling operations. The legality of these operations the "gray area" being referenced, but the US Gov't, for all of its bluster and talk, has consistently shown its belief that the players are not doing anything illegal, but rather the site operators are.

So yeah - continue your respective rants, but to call Internet gambling a "gray area" makes it seem like you get your information from 60 Minutes instead of the actual bill itself, which should likely be repealed about 15 minutes after a new President takes office.