The Silence is Deafening

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Velocity_14

For real?? Lawd knows that is news to me...lol. Was it something recent? I'm gonna have to google him....

From his playing days on. Trust, he is not Mr. Nice Guy.

[Velocity_14]

*coming back from google* A mess..."Wiki" sure does get a lot of info on a person. It just amazes me that I cannot recall some of it as much as I have always been into basketball. I was a lot younger though and probably didn't pay as much attention to the news as I do now, of course.

[DLTA22]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

I hear you soror, but the big difference is that the organization IS paying, a HEFTY sum whereas in some other situations (Justice Thomas, Don Imus), there was no punishment so a public outcry was warranted. Believe me, Mr Thomas will get his . In fact, one of the reasons why Ms Browne-Sanders won the suit is because she was able to prove a hostile work environment (I believe at least 2 more came forward as witnesses of some sort).

Hi Soror Mccoyred,
Actually, Anucha Browne-Sanders was awarded a judgement of $11 million by the jury. She WILL NOT see a penny of this judgement until the case is completely settled. Now the appeals process begins for MSG, and trust me they do indeed have the resources to drag this out with more lengthy court appeals and that will rack up more legal fees for Anucha. When all is said and done, she realistically could only see a settlement check as high as $300,000, because really and truly most folk out there think all we need is to get PAID and we shut up and the problem is solved. I started this thread solely to initiate dialogue. As a woman of a certain age, I am very aware as most of my greekchat members out here of the impact of misdirected rants and rave. Its not a question of notoriety, media coverage or lack thereof, In my honest opinion, Isiah's court conviction should result in a demotion from his current position at the very least. Imagine if that were your boss and you lost not only your income, but your professional identity and was blackballed within your industry. Would you be satisfied with only court judgement?

ps. I wont go there and question that if the plaintiff did not share the same complexion as Isiah would the general reaction be the same?. I'm gonna leave that one alone for real!

YID
Dlta22


DSTCHAOS I don't know what this particular poster is raving about. Outcry for what? Because the man is paying the price? No.

If you want a general discussion of his comments, start a thread on that.

The Isiah story wasn't a big news story for a few reasons that have nothing to do with hypocrisy. The news media wasn't all over Thomas and there hasn't been a case even similar to this in my opinion since Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill--which DID receive a great deal of attention from blacks (and whites) if you want to take a more holistic look at this instead of finding stuff that happened within the past year or 2 to make your argument.

He got charged, is paying the price, many people aren't familiar with what he said (versus Imus who said it openly and Jena 6 where the case is much more public).

Soror DSTCHAOS, we will just have to agree to disagree!

[Still BLUTANG]

i'm still learning how to get to that point.

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I've gotten more selective about what outrages me as I have gotten older

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DLTA22

Soror DSTCHAOS, we will just have to agree to disagree!

I hate that saying. It's okay to just not respond.

[Velocity_14]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I've gotten more selective about what outrages me as I have gotten older

That has been ringing in my head this morning!!!

[Animate]

"We make a fuss if its theeeeeem, but we hush if its us."
- Lupe Fiasco

This single line comes to my mind everytime the hypocritical side of any sized group of black people shows its head. That and they tend to get upset about all the wrong things.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Mr. Thomas has exposed his volatile side before.

I have followed it and am not outraged. But then I wasn't outraged about Imus, either. I've gotten more selective about what outrages me as I have gotten older--it's that high blood pressure thing. LOL

Excellent point.

If we as a people were more selective about what to really get outraged about (read: make a public outcry of some sort) and what to just let slide (read: discuss among ourselves, but not make a big fanfare about it) on a more consistent basis, then the public outcries we do make would have more of an impact, would get everyone's attention, and would be more likely to garner constructive results rather than the public blowing us off at every little instance we get slighted and accusing us of playing the victim card.

I originally "sided" with Dlta22's original post, but after reading the responses here, I agree with the consensus: sometimes it is just best to keep quiet and let the wheels of justice do its job; sometimes by having the public make a bunch of noise over the matter actually aggravates the matter and sometimes is counterproductive.

That said, I think Don Imus' remark, while highly inappropriate, the reaction to it was blown WAY, WAY outta proportion, especially considering his personal character and demeanor (read: everyone knows how Imus is; why is now everybody is shocked). His firing solved nothing, it only created an illusion of rectification.

LG is right, we need to better pick our battles.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Animate

"We make a fuss if its theeeeeem, but we hush if its us."
- Lupe Fiasco

This single line comes to my mind everytime the hypocritical side of any sized group of black people shows its head. That and they tend to get upset about all the wrong things.

Those of you who think this is hypocritical are confusing the issues and are assuming an either/or just because there wasn't a rally about the Isiah Thomas incident.

EVERY group is more defensive when outsiders victimize them. Except for groups that have privilege that safety nets against victimization.

But when there is a common denominator such as race, the uncommon factor such as gender will stick out as in this Thomas incident. So it would make more sense to me for people to be arguing that women, in general, or specifically black women are too silent on this issue. Not that black people are. Black people don't think sexual harassment and gender-based discrimination are any more acceptable than any other group of people does, seeing as though sexism and patriarchy span across racial categories.