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shinerbock · #16 07-26-2007, 11:05 AM

Countdown until he's offered position at UC-Berk?

UGAalum94 · #17 07-26-2007, 12:13 PM

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Countdown until he's offered position at UC-Berk?

Politically yes, but I honestly think his "scholarship" is too weak and corrupt. You really can't hire the guy who is widely know to plagiarize and misrepresent his sources even if you love his politics.

One of the things that I think is so interesting about this is it points out how some college professors trade on their academic standing to present opinions completely unrelated to their field of study and some people eat it up. Why would I care what Churchill thinks about 911 or what Chomsky thinks about economic or social policy?

(I'm sure it happens on the right too, but I can't think of anyone right away. I don't think people on the right care that much about college professors as experts, and if the recent hype is true a about ideological imbalance in higher ed, there'd be few right wing college profs to quote. The few right wing college household name that I can think of all seem to be history or sociology folks who write about race, ethnicity and class.)

Rudey · #18 07-26-2007, 01:56 PM

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Countdown until he's offered position at UC-Berk?

Umm Berkeley's administration isn't the most liberal, unless you consider John Yoo (a big shot in the Federalist society and one of the big authors of the PATRIOT act and a high level supporter of torture) to be a real left winger.

-Rudey

shinerbock · #19 07-26-2007, 01:56 PM

Mike Adams is the only real rightwinger that comes to my mind. There are others, but he's the only one who is borderline fringe that I know of.

AnchorAlum · #20 07-26-2007, 10:30 PM

Boulder is conservative? I visited there for the first time in 1995 and when I returned I told my husband that all our missing friends and their 1966 VW vans were right there, still on a Rocky Mountain high.
And no one had the balls to tell them that it was not 1968 anymore.

Funniest line I've heard as to Churchill came from Dennis Miller - he was talking to Bill O'Reilly and said that out of this whole thing he hoped that CU would begin offering a good dental plan to future faculty members.

Have you SEEN WC's choppers??!!

DeltAlum · #21 07-26-2007, 10:43 PM

The university community certainly isn't conservative, but the rest of the town tends to be. Of course the university is so overwhelming, the whole area gets labeled as The Peoples Republic of Boulder.

shinerbock · #22 07-27-2007, 01:26 AM

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Umm Berkeley's administration isn't the most liberal, unless you consider John Yoo (a big shot in the Federalist society and one of the big authors of the PATRIOT act and a high level supporter of torture) to be a real left winger.

-Rudey

Do boalt profs make UG hires now? Interesting.

Rudey · #23 07-27-2007, 04:03 AM

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Do boalt profs make UG hires now? Interesting.

Boalt is a school at UC Berkeley, which was the university you mentioned, right? Interesting times two.

-Rudey

shinerbock · #24 07-27-2007, 10:17 AM

You're right, Berkeley isn't a liberal school. One conservative law professor indicates this.

UGAalum94 · #25 07-27-2007, 12:13 PM

And just to be absolutely clear, in addition to one conservative making a faculty, support of the Patriot Act and Torture are fundamental principles of conservatism.

Rudey · #26 07-27-2007, 01:36 PM

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You're right, Berkeley isn't a liberal school. One conservative law professor indicates this.

I've personally never understood the utility of law school, let alone lawyers, but generally you all tend to be great at reading details. I'm shocked you aren't.

To be repeated I never said Berkeley wasn't a liberal school. Not only does that have no relevancy to what we were discussing, but I also don't think you can even elucidate what makes a "liberal school".

I made a point regarding the administration which is composed of professors. You did follow that detail correct? I mean it's really simple. We were discussing professors.

I pointed out a professor in the university that is extremely conservative and has been one of the architects of the Bush Administration's conservative legislations as well as a prominent member of the Federalist society (along with Antonin Scalia), which "hopes to transform the American legal system by developing and promoting conservative positions and influencing who will become judges, top government officials, and decision-makers."

I hope your reading skills improve.

-Rudey

shinerbock · #27 07-27-2007, 01:40 PM

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I've personally never understood the utility of law school, let alone lawyers, but generally you all tend to be great at reading details. I'm shocked you aren't.

To be repeated I never said Berkeley wasn't a liberal school. Not only does that have no relevancy to what we were discussing, but I also don't think you can even elucidate what makes a "liberal school".

I made a point regarding the administration which is composed of professors. You did follow that detail correct? I mean it's really simple. We were discussing professors.

I pointed out a professor in the university that is extremely conservative and has been one of the architects of the Bush Administration's conservative legislations as well as a prominent member of the Federalist society (along with Antonin Scalia), which "hopes to transform the American legal system by developing and promoting conservative positions and influencing who will become judges, top government officials, and decision-makers."

I hope your reading skills improve.

-Rudey

My reading skills are fine, thanks. Additionally, I highly doubt that Boalt professors have any impact on undergraduate hires, as I originally questioned. Hope that helps.

Rudey · #28 07-27-2007, 01:46 PM

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My reading skills are fine, thanks. Additionally, I highly doubt that Boalt professors have any impact on undergraduate hires, as I originally questioned. Hope that helps.

Your reading skills are not fine. I just detailed exactly why they were lacking.

Additionally, your post "Countdown until he's offered position at UC-Berk?" has no mention of undergraduate hires. You lose that argument as well.

-Rudey

shinerbock · #29 07-27-2007, 01:57 PM

Haha, trust me, I manage.

If I had referenced the possibility of him being hired by the law school, which is likely the only situation in which Yoo would impact such a decision, I would have mentioned the law school, or Boalt. Good try, however.

Rudey · #30 07-27-2007, 02:06 PM

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Haha, trust me, I manage.

If I had referenced the possibility of him being hired by the law school, which is likely the only situation in which Yoo would impact such a decision, I would have mentioned the law school, or Boalt. Good try, however.

Perhaps you were just referencing the art school. I should have known that too right?

Perhaps Ward Churchill even taught grad classes (I don't personally know) and perhaps you were only referencing that one department right?

Again, we were discussing professors at a university. Clearly you are wrong. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit you were wrong and leave it at that?

-Rudey