London Police Defuse Car Bombs

[Engelwood]

Here's a quote from Tony Blair for everybody to digest:

'The reason we are finding it hard to win this battle is that we're not actually fighting it properly. We're not actually standing up to these people and saying, "It's not just your methods that are wrong, your ideas are absurd. Nobody is oppressing you. Your sense of grievance isn't justified."'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,2115929,00.html

[DeltAlum]

It isn't real easy to change a fanatic's mind by talking to him/her.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Agreed. London bombings do seem to occur much more often than anywhere else in the world. I'm not claiming that as fact or anything, just from what I've seen on television over the years. (FOX news, of course. Don't worry, I wouldn't waste my time on those other stations.)

You might want to... you know to actually get a clearer picture of the news.

Agreed.
Watching their friends being publicly hanged would be a much better deterrent.

Why yes that makes perfect sense... afterall 'martyring' terrorists willing to kill themselves would really teach them

Anyways it definitely didn't work with the Irish republicans since all it did was create martyrs or heroes - heroes still lauded or sung about in pubs today. Killing people ready to die for a cause is self-defeating since they and their supporters accept and expect it really... locking them up is a greater punishment really, and a greater political and intelligence asset than a dead 'martyr'.

[DeltAlum]

While I don't know this to be fact, my understanding is that at least "life" in prison really means that in the UK, as oppossed to getting 75 years off for good behavior or whatever.

If these guys get convicted, we hopefully won't hear from them again.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by RACooper

You might want to... you know to actually get a clearer picture of the news.

Agreed. I especially like the BBC and the people they have on that like to say that Al-Qaida and Osama Bin Laden don't really exist, just decoys that Blair And Bush came up with to invade Iraq for oil (which in america we've seen so much of).

Originally Posted by RACooper

Why yes that makes perfect sense... afterall 'martyring' terrorists willing to kill themselves would really teach them

What do you suggest we do then? Give them universal health care and free college? Look at it this way, these guys want to die as martrys anyway..It's a win-win scenario, they get their glory and we get their head.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by RACooper

Let me guess. You believe that the Brits are soft on terror and don't know how to deal with it right?

It's morons like you that give conservatives the rep for being anti-intellectual or just plain stupid.

No and No. This was an obvious test for the new PM by jihadists, and I hope he shows a strong hand when dealing with them. It seems (from reading the new reports) that the saving grace the British had from these attempted attacks is the fact that these terrorists couldn't blow up a paper bag.

**Isn't is against the rules to personally attack someone or call names?

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

What he said.

The British are some of the more resilient people in the Western world. It hasn't been that long since WWII and the London Blitz for them. It's only just about a year since the last bombing there. Just becaues they don't use the death penalty and will try these people appropriately doesn't make them soft on terror. (Nor does a diverse population for that matter)

If you're talking about the subway/bus bombing, it was back in '05 genius

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

If you're talking about the subway/bus bombing, it was back in '05 genius

Yeah that's my bad on the date. Still more recent than '01.

[AKA_Monet]

OMG, dudes were physicians!!! The krispy kritter worked in the Queen's Hospital as a physician...

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

OMG, dudes were physicians!!! The krispy kritter worked in the Queen's Hospital as a physician...

Last I heard, they arrested doctors in connection to the bombing. No word on how they were involved, or even if they were involved.

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by Rudey

This was done by fundamentalist Christians I bet.

-Rudey
--Sarcasm is great.

Nah, I'm leaning towards the Mossad.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by _Opi_

Last I heard, they arrested doctors in connection to the bombing. No word on how they were involved, or even if they were involved.

The F channel and CNN 360 are calling the mastermind, Dr. Evil, although there is some dispute on the facts.

Here's his picture:



"Quasi Evil, Semi Evil, the Margerine of Evil, the Diet Coke of Evil--just one calorie, not Evil enough..."

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

The F channel and CNN 360 are calling the mastermind, Dr. Evil, although there is some dispute on the facts.

Here's his picture:



"Quasi Evil, Semi Evil, the Margerine of Evil, the Diet Coke of Evil--just one calorie, not Evil enough..."

I was about to ask whether the picture was taken before or after they put out the fire -- but that would have been tacky.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

I was about to ask whether the picture was taken before or after they put out the fire -- but that would have been tacky.

Ha ha...

There are more articles abound. There is an issue though: Most places do not trust foreign doctors--except those places that need them the most...

Like a foreign physician in the US has to pass the 2nd and 3rd USMLE, the fellowship board exam and the TOFEL exam. So most physicians do not get their licenses here in the US because they feel it is too much work. Let's just say, most clinicians because I know nurses, psychologists, dentists and veterinarians that won't do it either.

Then, there is a level of basic round/resident clinic work they MAKE you do for to advance to the next test. And as ugly as it sounds, they give most foreign physicians the WORST kind of rounds with tough charity cases--helps them practice their English.

For dentists, I know it rather easier ~2 years on clinical rotation, while they work toward a "green card" or citizenship. But, to get that license to practice, well, there is a counterfiet industry...

I do not know what it is in the UK. They have a National Health Service and a loss of physicians some would say due to Universal Health Care. I would need to see if they fellows really had bonafide medical degrees from their countries and what they had to do to get them. Did they really do clinical rotations and pass several board exams? The prevailing attitude just taking medically terminology classes and slapping a medical degree does not make a physician...

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

...I do not know what it is in the UK. They have a National Health Service and a loss of physicians some would say due to Universal Health Care. I would need to see if they fellows really had bonafide medical degrees from their countries and what they had to do to get them. Did they really do clinical rotations and pass several board exams? The prevailing attitude just taking medically terminology classes and slapping a medical degree does not make a physician...

I don't know the what is required of foreign trained doctors in the UK, but I did here that there are a lot of foreign trained doctors in the UK right now because there was a sever shortgage of doctors. They allowed something like 20,000 doctors into the country to practice medicine without checking their backgrounds, i.e as long as they had a medical degree and were licensed to practice medicine in their home country, they were in. They didn't actually do a security background check or anything like that.