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06-20-2007, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
It's double edged sword with famous people speak...on one hand...the public wants to see a famous person who is 'real' and 'ordinary'...on the other hand...the public wants someone who is perfect and we are so ready to crucify them when they mess up...thus why people reacted the way they did with the whole paris hilton thing....the bottom line is this....many feel that she is flesh and blood like anyone else so why should she get preferential treatment? This is why I have been saying what i stated earlier about what some should do when they open thier mouths...simply when you mess up....be responsible...cuz in most cases an apology doesn't mean jack.
As far as Isiah....well his comment cost him his job
again...look at it like this....was ABC willing to take the risk of keeping him on the show at the risk of losing viewers?
No.
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From what I heard he caused a lot of drama and got in a physical fight on set.
However, if it was just his comment, I highly doubt ABC would feel the pain of people boycotting Grey's
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06-21-2007, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
It's double edged sword with famous people speak...on one hand...the public wants to see a famous person who is 'real' and 'ordinary'...on the other hand...the public wants someone who is perfect and we are so ready to crucify them when they mess up.
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I want a celebrity who shuts up and doesn't bring up dying topics to make themselves look "real."
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As far as Isiah....well his comment cost him his job
again...look at it like this....was ABC willing to take the risk of keeping him on the show at the risk of losing viewers?
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He's an idiot and he attempted to compare himself to those who were politically persecuted for civil rights. 
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06-21-2007, 02:09 PM
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I want a celebrity who shuts up and doesn't bring up dying topics to make themselves look "real."
He's an idiot and he attempted to compare himself to those who were politically persecuted for civil rights. |
Dying topics....?
Well....everyone is entitled to making a mistake...but don't apologize if it's not coming from the heart.
Like him or not...Isiah has done what many of us are guilty of doing...I am sure...now...I bet 20 years ago...no one would have punished him for doig it...nor would they have sent him to 'rehab'.
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06-21-2007, 03:04 PM
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the thing with people today? everyone has an opinion, and someone will always be insulted by it. it takes a lot to get me going, and at the same time, if i feel that my "audience" could be insulted? i keep my mouth shut. it is all about context, like someone mentioned earlier. i think in the wake of the media storm and the sensitivity of these young ladies, maybe it wasnt the best thing to do/say at the time.
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06-21-2007, 03:14 PM
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i think in the wake of the media storm and the sensitivity of these young ladies, maybe it wasnt the best thing to do/say at the time.
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agreed
we just have a habit sometimes of trying to keep things (bad or good) rolling because it just simply happens to be in teh forefront of all that is going on in the world right now.
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06-21-2007, 03:18 PM
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Dying topics....?
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The Imus thing isn't a hot topic anymore. Opinions aren't contingent upon that but what Hughley did is the equivalent of someone digging up a thread that's been inactive for a couple of months only to stir the pot some more.
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Well....everyone is entitled to making a mistake...but don't apologize if it's not coming from the heart.
Like him or not...Isiah has done what many of us are guilty of doing...I am sure...now...I bet 20 years ago...no one would have punished him for doig it...nor would they have sent him to 'rehab'.
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I don't like or dislike Isiah. I don't know who the hell he is outside of this Grey's Anatomy thing. I've never watched the show and have only seen photos of him Essence or whatever.
Mistake or not, he's an idiot.
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06-21-2007, 03:30 PM
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i dont really care too much about Isaiah Washington either, but that word he used is considered offensive to some. hell, i curse like a SAILOR sometimes, but you will never ever hear me use the "f" word for a homosexual male. i feel it is disgusting and disrepectful.
at the same time, i know gay men who dont care about the f word. kinda like how some black people dont care about the n word...
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06-21-2007, 03:33 PM
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The Imus thing isn't a hot topic anymore. Opinions aren't contingent upon that but what Hughley did is the equivalent of someone digging up a thread that's been inactive for a couple of months only to stir the pot some more.
I don't like or dislike Isiah. I don't know who the hell he is outside of this Grey's Anatomy thing. I've never watched the show and have only seen photos of him Essence or whatever.
Mistake or not, he's an idiot.
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1. You cant put it all on DL....for one thing it was a question that was put forth to him by Jay Leno....this happened in May...the protests that came about didn't happen until this past weekend so...sorry...this is not something that "he dug up". And in most places, Imus may have faded but there are still lots of reprecussions due to what he said 2 months ago. Many in the media are still discussing censorship and what contingencies have to be done in order for this to not occur again.
There have been a lot more firings since this went down and tehre a lot of people who are still discussing this (we are for one aren't we?) in light of if this is considered a double standard and his remarks after the fact.
2. ....never mind...it would be a waste of good posting space
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06-21-2007, 03:33 PM
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at the same time, i know gay men who dont care about the f word. kinda like how some black people dont care about the n word...
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Yep.
Just like "queer" has become an accepted term in many segments of the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and questioning community. That doesn't mean that anyone else should use it.
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06-21-2007, 03:34 PM
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1. You cant put it all on DL....for one thing it was a question that was put forth to him by Jay Leno....this happened in May...the protests that came about didn't happen until this past weekend so...sorry...this is not something that "he dug up". And in most places, Imus may have faded but there are still lots of reprecussions due to what he said 2 months ago. Many in the media are still discussing censorship and what contingencies have to be done in order for this to not occur again.
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DL is responsible for himself.
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06-21-2007, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX
i dont really care too much about Isaiah Washington either, but that word he used is considered offensive to some. hell, i curse like a SAILOR sometimes, but you will never ever hear me use the "f" word for a homosexual male. i feel it is disgusting and disrepectful.
at the same time, i know gay men who dont care about the f word. kinda like how some black people dont care about the n word...
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U know...I was listening to ESPN one day after the whole thing went down....one of teh commentators said something that went like (and I am paraphrasing)there are many homosexuals that make a double standard to certain things and even though they may be accepting of a lot of things they cant vacillate. For instance, there are many who find the word 'queer' very offensive almost as much as the N word. YET....there is a show called Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and he stated..."you can't have it both ways"
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06-21-2007, 03:44 PM
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DL is responsible for himself.
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exactly and that is why I am not mad at him for stating that just because SOMEBODY got mad for his statements that he feels he should have to apologize for it.
On the flip...this is why I got mad at Isiah for letting someone else push him to go to rehab just because he called somebody on the show a fag and he only went just cuz he thought it would save his career.
Now mind you I am not a big fan of him myself...but this was point I was trying to make earlier about saying you are sorry for something you knew was wrong vs saying sorry to placate
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06-21-2007, 03:45 PM
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keep your apology if it is fake. and dont bother even if you mean it, and you dont plan on changing your ways  . that is what apologizing is all about!
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06-21-2007, 03:48 PM
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exactly and that is why I am not mad at him for stating that just because SOMEBODY got mad for his statements that he feels he should have to apologize for it.
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Based on morality and not sponsorship dollars, DL doesn't have to apologize and neither did Imus or Michael Richards.
Whether or not they apologize doesn't impact their idiot status.
And give DL an incentive to apologize and he'll be doing that. His career is BLAH right now so he's getting some attention.
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06-21-2007, 03:52 PM
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Based on morality and not sponsorship dollars, DL doesn't have to apologize and neither did Imus or Michael Richards.
Whether or not they apologize doesn't impact their idiot status.
And give DL an incentive to apologize and he'll be doing that. His career is BLAH right now so he's getting some attention.
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I disagree on the attention part.....I say this because what he said was done a month ago... and nobody commented on it...the people in Ft Worth chose to take up his comment last weekend...and now he is in the news.
So again...DL getting this attention now isn't his doing....
Funny thing is...Damon Wayans said soemthing akin to this in his standup I saw 2 weeks ago....
Some comedians on TV One has done the same....and you know...I don't see the pitchforks and torches...what gives?
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