Greek Splinters Groups?

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Um, why didn't that just charter a new chapter? This makes no sense.

Maybe they tried.

In my area, there was a group of men trying to establish the FOURTH alumni chapter of their org in my city. They were denied.... I actually don't know what their plans are, but it has left the chapter they defected from with very low numbers (all things considered).

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Maybe they tried.

In my area, there was a group of men trying to establish the FOURTH alumni chapter of their org in my city. They were denied.... I actually don't know what their plans are, but it has left the chapter they defected from with very low numbers (all things considered).

Did those men go off and form a "group" to which they pay dues?

If those Kappas tried and were denied, it still makes no sense to pay dues to a "group" but not to the org. Change happens within. I mean they can't use the name of Kappa in what they do, so what good is that?

They could have stayed in the org., still formed their clique, but worked to make changes within.

I know that in Delta you have to have a certain number of currently financial sorors to charter an additional chapter, and it increases with each additional chapter in that area. You also must show proof of being able to sustain the chapters. Maybe that is why that org. was denied a new chapter.

I am not opposed to chartering new chapters in a given area. I consider it as an expansion not a splintering. Maybe they should have approached it that way.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Did those men go off and form a "group" to which they pay dues?

I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but I don't think so.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Did those men go off and form a "group" to which they pay dues?

If those Kappas tried and were denied, it still makes no sense to pay dues to a "group" but not to the org. Change happens within. I mean they can't use the name of Kappa in what they do, so what good is that?

They could have stayed in the org., still formed their clique, but worked to make changes within.

I know that in Delta you have to have a certain number of currently financial sorors to charter an additional chapter, and it increases with each additional chapter in that area. You also must show proof of being able to sustain the chapters. Maybe that is why that org. was denied a new chapter.

I am not opposed to chartering new chapters in a given area. I consider it as an expansion not a splintering. Maybe they should have approached it that way.

Yeah and it isn't uncommon to find 3 or so alumnae chapters within 20-30 minutes of each other.

I don't know Kappa's rules for chartering chapters. But splintering and paying dues for a club is silly. If you can't get a new chapter chartered, be active and try to impact the existing chapter. If you must be a member of a chapter. Then run along with your pals and do separate outtings, play cards and drink together after meetings, and do smaller service events that don't have a chapter attached to it. That's what quite a few folks do. Don't need separate dues to have cliques.

[Blessed2bDST]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Um, why didn't that just charter a new chapter? This makes no sense.

I guess it's hard to explain in full in this forum. I think you'd have to live here to see how it operates. It's really not considered "lame" at all and a lot of the more "prominent" members of the organization who live here are part of it. I should have explained as well that they are all financial with grand chapter as members-at-large and they pay dues to this group to support their own activites.

[Kevin]

The Vanderbilt "Nu" Society isn't going to be too thrilled that Sigma Nu is recolonizing..

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The Vanderbilt "Nu" Society isn't going to be too thrilled that Sigma Nu is recolonizing..

How come were they not included? Past History?

[KyleMcGuire1983]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The Vanderbilt "Nu" Society isn't going to be too thrilled that Sigma Nu is recolonizing..

Yeah Kevin I actually e-mailed their Commander (The Nu Society uses our titles, creed, similiar crest, and probably ritual) to talk about their situation. At first I figured they would fold themselves up and rush Sigma Nu or something....instead he wrote back saying that Sigma Nu National betrayed them or something to that effect. He wasn't happy about Sigma Nu re-founding but Sigma Nu had been there since 1888 so The Nu Society is pretty S.O.L. since I'm sure there is strong alumni support for Sigma Nu's re-emergence

The Nu Society even goes as far as calling Sigma Nu founders their brothers and founders.

It's like Bizarro world.....

Sigma Nu Chi at SUNY-Geneso use "Love, Truth, Honor" as part of their values but they added like six others and use baby blue and white instead of black, white, and gold.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Blessed2bDST

I guess it's hard to explain in full in this forum. I think you'd have to live here to see how it operates. It's really not considered "lame" at all and a lot of the more "prominent" members of the organization who live here are part of it. I should have explained as well that they are all financial with grand chapter as members-at-large and they pay dues to this group to support their own activites.

The prominent members part doesn't mean much. But the member-at-large part makes it better because their financial status is recognized by the grand chapter.

They are a clique that pays dues for the clique's survival. Not something I'd do or recommend unless It's presented as nothing more than "a group of likeminded folks doing stuff." The dues makes sense to the extent that unrecognized collectives need some way to fund their excursions without tapping out their personal funds.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Blessed2bDST

I guess it's hard to explain in full in this forum. I think you'd have to live here to see how it operates. It's really not considered "lame" at all and a lot of the more "prominent" members of the organization who live here are part of it. I should have explained as well that they are all financial with grand chapter as members-at-large and they pay dues to this group to support their own activites.

Since they are members-at-large, that's cool as long as they don't present themselves to the larger community as a group of Kappa MALs doing their own thing.

So basically they formed, because the older Kappas didn't like the direction the younger Kappas was taking the chapter? Interesting. Usually it's the other way around.

Have they tried to charter a new chapter?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

So basically they formed, because the older Kappas didn't like the direction the younger Kappas was taking the chapter? Interesting. Usually it's the other way around.

Indeed.

That's a powerful group of young Kappas. They can get older and some prominent members to run away. Hats off to them.

[mulattogyrl]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

So basically they formed, because the older Kappas didn't like the direction the younger Kappas was taking the chapter? Interesting. Usually it's the other way around.

TRUE. Carry on.

[Wolfman]

Were it not for splinter groups in Greekdom, some of the largest groups wouldn't exist.

For example:
Sigma Chi from DKE
Founder of Sig Ep was a Chi Phi
DST from AKA

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Were it not for splinter groups in Greekdom, some of the largest groups wouldn't exist.

For example:
Sigma Chi from DKE
Founder of Sig Ep was a Chi Phi
DST from AKA

Excellent point. And some 152 (Sigma Chi), 106 (Sigma Phi Epsilon) or 94 (Delta Sigma Theta) years later, all six organizations are doing just fine.

[LXA SE285]

The Kappa Alpha Theta chapter at Dartmouth surrendered its charter and became a local, Epsilon Kappa Theta, in the early ’90s. They decided to split from the national organization because they felt its values didn't reflect theirs.