Clearing the Air DZO/Beta Epsilon

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by babylyne

Have you been reading any other threads? Obviously not, I am a member of the Beta Epsilon Chapter and it was not our chapter that was on TV and the DZO that we affiliated with was after MTV WAY AFTER. And many/most of the sisters had left.

And your point is? You ARE a sister of DZO. And you can still thank your sisters for giving ALL of DZO a bad reputation. I don't care what chapter you are from. As long as you are a member, you will face the negative opinions of your sorority when you post on a message board.

You say THE DZO we affiliated with... You don't seem to understand that you still are affiliated with DZO. By choosing to affiliate with a group that has such a negative reputation, you have now subjected yourself to that same reputation.

[babylyne]

so in that respect if a chapter of yours on another campus had the reputation of being lose and giving away sexual favors, would you think it fair that someone give your chapter that same reputation? I think that you would defend your chapter and the sisters within it. The same way I defend mine.

[tunatartare]

Originally Posted by babylyne

Fine critisized the right chapter then, I have no problem with any issues that others may have. I just really hate it when people clog threads with the dont listen to that poster because "their opinion is baseless because the belong to xyz/abc" or "they cant spell so their opinions dont mean anything" and so on.

When did I say that your opinion was crap? Look, let's say the chapter of AB sorority at your school hazes badly or just generally has a bad reputation on your campus. If you randomly meet someone from work, camp, church, etc. who is AB not from your school, aren't your first thoughts going to be "oh but you aren't anything like them," or "why AB?" or something pertaining to AB's reputation on your campus? Well it's the same thing with DZO. You only have two chapters, one of which is notorious. It doesn't matter that the girls on Sorority Life all graduated. DZO's reputation precedes itself. When people hear DZO, they automatically think of Sorority Life.

[babylyne]

I didn't say that you said that I am saying that that is what is going on in some of these threads.

I think the issue here isn't DZO. We all have our own opinions on what your Alpha Chapter did on MTV, but I don't think it's that at all.

A few years ago, someone directed us to a link to the Beta Epsilon Sorority website. Lots of GCers, SKs and non-SKs alike, were shaking their fists at their computers because it really did seem like they were definitely ripping off the symbols and everything related to Sigma Kappa.

Unfortunately no link to the old website exists, but discussion about it (when SUNY-Buffalo was opening up for expansion, home of DZO-Alpha) can be found here. The Beta Epsilon Sorority had just become a DZO chapter, and people were wondering what would happen to the new chapter. As you know, DZO never went NPC.

I don't know when it was ever okay for a member to go to another organization (a new one) and say, "Hey! Why not use my sorority symbols?" I only wish there was a link to the BE website because it was obvious to even the dumbest of dumbfcuks that everything was ripped off. babylyne, if that wasn't the intent to copy SK, then you guys sure as hell didn't do a good job distinguishing yourselves.

So basically Sigma Kappa HQ gave you guys a cease and desist and that's how you got help and broke it off?

I'm definitely not making this up either. 33girl remembered it. I remember it, and I'm sure others do as well.

[babylyne]

Originally Posted by OTW

I think the issue here isn't DZO. We all have our own opinions on what your Alpha Chapter did on MTV, but I don't think it's that at all.

A few years ago, someone directed us to a link to the Beta Epsilon Sorority website. Lots of GCers, SKs and non-SKs alike, were shaking their fists at their computers because it really did seem like they were definitely ripping off the symbols and everything related to Sigma Kappa.

Unfortunately no link to the old website exists, but discussion about it (when SUNY-Buffalo was opening up for expansion, home of DZO-Alpha) can be found here. The Beta Epsilon Sorority had just become a DZO chapter, and people were wondering what would happen to the new chapter. As you know, DZO never went NPC.

I don't know when it was ever okay for a member to go to another organization (a new one) and say, "Hey! Why not use my sorority symbols?" I only wish there was a link to the BE website because it was obvious to even the dumbest of dumbfcuks that everything was ripped off. babylyne, if that wasn't the intent to copy SK, then you guys sure as hell didn't do a good job distinguishing yourselves.

So basically Sigma Kappa HQ gave you guys a cease and desist and that's how you got help and broke it off?

I'm definitely not making this up either. 33girl remembered it. I remember it, and I'm sure others do as well.

the reason why you dont find the old web page is because when we were being told what was happening the first thing I did was disable the website. The person who was "helping" us create our sorority had the intentions of becoming a Sigma Kappa colony. This however was not disclosed to us. It was mentioned in front of Panhellenic and then brought to my attention. The sisters at the time (right before a sisterhood event) came together and discussed the issues that we had just found out about. We instatly OVERNIGHT changed everything. We also relayed our appoligies to the Panhellenic regional rep. and asked her to relay that to Sigma Kappa. It is really hard to go into complete detail. and what happened was VERY painful to all of us because we trusted those around us. Most importantly we trusted someone who was supposed to be teaching us about sisterhood.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by babylyne

so in that respect if a chapter of yours on another campus had the reputation of being lose and giving away sexual favors, would you think it fair that someone give your chapter that same reputation? I think that you would defend your chapter and the sisters within it. The same way I defend mine.

Well, my glo has over 200 chapters. And, NONE of them have ever gone on TV and portrayed Greek Life quite like one of your two chapters has.

When 50% of your chapters act a certain way, I would say that it is fair if they get a negative reputation.

And, I did go and read your other posts. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, don't encourage people to AI so they can have fun while having to do less. It doesn't work that way. Leave the AI discussion to those who have an idea of what AI actually is.

[babylyne]

How do you know what I know about AI's? Maybe my experiance with it is diffrent from yours. And would you really turn away a really great AI?

[tunatartare]

Originally Posted by babylyne

How do you know what I know about AI's? Maybe my experiance with it is diffrent from yours. And would you really turn away a really great AI?

Unless you actually serve on the (inter)national board of any of the 26 NPC sororities, your opinions on AI are moot. No one cares. Move on. It is none of your business how sororities run their AI programs (if they even have them at all).

[Xidelt]

Originally Posted by babylyne

How do you know what I know about AI's? Maybe my experiance with it is diffrent from yours. And would you really turn away a really great AI?

If she has ever appeared on Sorority Life, sells Arbonne, or gets really excited about plooshies, then yes, she might get turned away. But she could always affiliate with SKEPi.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by babylyne

How do you know what I know about AI's? Maybe my experiance with it is diffrent from yours. And would you really turn away a really great AI?

The fact that you think AIs get a fraction of the work and commitment and all of the fun SHOWS EXACTLY HOW LITTLE YOU TRULY KNOW ABOUT THE PROCESS.

Originally Posted by babylyne

I agree, Have you looked into becoming an Alumnae Initiate? I founded my chapter while married and I had to make a ton of sacrificies when it came to spending time with my hubby or recruitment events.

In the end it took a huge toll on my relationship, but we worked past it. However, if asked to do it again? I would hire an assistant! Another one of my founding sisters was married as well and we tried to reach out to the "non-traditional" students. Most just did not have the time to dedicate themselves to a starting organization.

Just something to consider.

*Also just because you cant be "active" you can still be a valuble asset as an Alumnae initiate and still participate in all the fun stuff.

Originally Posted by babylyne

the reason why you dont find the old web page is because when we were being told what was happening the first thing I did was disable the website. The person who was "helping" us create our sorority had the intentions of becoming a Sigma Kappa colony. This however was not disclosed to us. It was mentioned in front of Panhellenic and then brought to my attention. The sisters at the time (right before a sisterhood event) came together and discussed the issues that we had just found out about. We instatly OVERNIGHT changed everything. We also relayed our appoligies to the Panhellenic regional rep. and asked her to relay that to Sigma Kappa. It is really hard to go into complete detail. and what happened was VERY painful to all of us because we trusted those around us. Most importantly we trusted someone who was supposed to be teaching us about sisterhood.

I'm very sorry that you and your sisters went through such a painful experience. I really mean that.

I'm curious, though. How long did it take from the time of founding to the time you took everything off the website took place?

I just find it hard to believe that this Sigma Kappa member would be this mastermind of everything. Did your founding sisters not do their research when choosing colors, symbols, and mottos? Sure, I'm no founding sister of anything -- but if I were, I'd sure as hell do my research and make sure that we'd try to be as unique as possible.

[babylyne]

Originally Posted by OTW

I'm very sorry that you and your sisters went through such a painful experience. I really mean that.

I'm curious, though. How long did it take from the time of founding to the time you took everything off the website took place?

I just find it hard to believe that this Sigma Kappa member would be this mastermind of everything. Did your founding sisters not do their research when choosing colors, symbols, and mottos? Sure, I'm no founding sister of anything -- but if I were, I'd sure as hell do my research and make sure that we'd try to be as unique as possible.

Ok I took us 2 months to finally be told about what was going on. When this person told us that she would help us and then was backed by the Greek Life advisor, and she said that she would handle the issues that we had no clue about I trusted her. She told me to worry about recruiting members, so I did. So at first when we heard the rumblings of Sigma Kappa I went to the Greek Life advisor but he didnt want to help us he wanted to expand the campus so he saw this as his opportunity as well for him (just newly hired) to look really good. So as soon as we realized Hey we can take charge of our sorority and stand up to this we did. and then when Sigma Kappa went to our Greek Life advisor I think he had an oh shit moment and stepped in to help us.

You are right though and we have all kicked ourselves into not having a say in the colors and such. Again when someone says she is trying to help you build a sisterhood even if she can't be a sister, you would want to belive her.

[babylyne]

Hey All,

I didnt think that this would be so much of an issue but then again then truth will always be an issue to those who don't want to hear it. I am sorry that I caused such an issue. I just wanted people to understand my side/ my chapters side of the story. For those that it makes angry, I'm not sorry. If you are mad then you are mad. I can't do anything to change that.

I just posted this so that finally our side would be heard.

Thanks

[33girl]

Originally Posted by babylyne

Ok I took us 2 months to finally be told about what was going on. When this person told us that she would help us and then was backed by the Greek Life advisor, and she said that she would handle the issues that we had no clue about I trusted her. She told me to worry about recruiting members, so I did. So at first when we heard the rumblings of Sigma Kappa I went to the Greek Life advisor but he didnt want to help us he wanted to expand the campus so he saw this as his opportunity as well for him (just newly hired) to look really good. So as soon as we realized Hey we can take charge of our sorority and stand up to this we did. and then when Sigma Kappa went to our Greek Life advisor I think he had an oh shit moment and stepped in to help us.

You are right though and we have all kicked ourselves into not having a say in the colors and such. Again when someone says she is trying to help you build a sisterhood even if she can't be a sister, you would want to belive her.

This gets more and more confusing. This "person" was a fellow undergrad or who?? Why would you let one person and one person only think up (and I use that term with a big hardeeharhar) your motto, colors, etc? It just makes no sense - it's like you're saying no one else in your group had ever heard of SK and was innocent as lambs, which I find hard to believe as SK has chapters at WSU and U of Washington. Now if you'd copied ASA or AST, neither of which has a presence in the state, your story might hold a little more water.