Greek Life at "New Ivies" (as Newsweek calls them)

[FeeFee]

Originally Posted by tld221

re: greek life - from the greeks i knew, they said that "back in the day" (early-mid 90s) according to older chapter members that greek life was bigger (surely not as huge as some big greek state schools) and better, and that the late 90s, it kinda fell, due to greeks getting downsized from housing (word is, greeks had their own building, then got downsided to a wing of an upperclass dorm, and now are currently in penthouse suites in another upperclass dorm. (and i think its only 4 organizations that have "houses") makes it hard to party when your "house" is a 3-bedroom suite in chinatown.

as for NPHC, no chapters on campus. there *was* talk about bringing Alphas to campus, but i dont see it happening. as for having a campus presence, you may see an AKA here or there. Deltas, i see coming up. Kappas, maybe. youre more likely to see an NPHC member as a grad student. Lambda Pi Chi, Lambda Upsilon Lambda, and Sigma Lambda Upsilon are around as well.

I could definitely see greek life on the up-and-up in the next 10 years there.

Yeah, I remember Greek life being bigger and more apparent in the late 80's - early 90's. Even though many of the NPHC UG chapters here are City-wide, the presence was always there nonetheless. You might have seen only one AKA @ NYU, but you knew that there were about 3-4 @ Columbia and so forth in the same chapter. My UG school actually had an NPHC chapter there, but I believe it may have been dissolved due to lack of members over the last few years. Now when you hear about NPHC events in the city, it's usually hosted by a graduate/alumni/alumnae chapter.

[alum]

This is the list of "Colleges That Change Lives". There are truly some hidden gems here. I know that Centre, Denison have recognized GLOs in their student organizations. Reed: definitely not. Agnes Scott and Wabash are single-sex (F, M respectively). The Wheaton that is mentioned is the IL college, not the MA one. You'll have to do the research on the rest

Agnes Scott College
Allegheny College
Antioch College
Austin College
Beloit College
Birmingham-Southern College
Centre College
Clark University
College of Wooster
Cornell College
Denison University
Earlham College
Eckerd College
Emory & Henry College
The Evergreen State College
Goucher College
Guilford College
Hampshire College
Hendrix College
Hiram College
Hope College
Juniata College
Kalamazoo College
Knox College
Lawrence University
Lynchburg College
Marlboro College
McDaniel College
Millsaps College
New College of Florida
Ohio Wesleyan University
Reed College
Rhodes College
Southwestern University
St. John's College
St. Olaf College
Ursinus College
Wabash College
Wheaton College
Whitman College

[m0nkeys]

As a student of the University of Michigan, I know that Greek Life is a vital part of the campus community -- at a school of over 40,000, it's just HUGE. The following are the lists of current GLOs at UM by Council (not including local GLOs):

Interfraternity Council
* Alpha Delta Phi
* Alpha Epsilon Pi
* Alpha Sigma Phi
* Beta Theta Pi
* Chi Phi
* Chi Psi
* Delta Chi
* Delta Kappa Epsilon
* Delta Tau Delta-expanding Fall 2006
* Delta Upsilon
* Kappa Sigma
* Lambda Chi Alpha
* Phi Delta Theta
* Phi Gamma Delta
* Phi Kappa Psi
* Pi Kappa Alpha
* Pi Kappa Phi
* Pi Lambda Phi-expansion chapter
* Psi Upsilon
* Sigma Alpha Epsilon
* Sigma Alpha Mu
* Sigma Nu
* Sigma Phi
* Sigma Phi Epsilon
* Sigma Pi - expanding Fall 2006
* Theta Chi
* Theta Xi
* Triangle
* Zeta Beta Tau-suspended pending review 12/06
* Zeta Psi

Panhellenic Association
* Alpha Chi Omega
* Alpha Delta Pi
* Alpha Gamma Delta
* Alpha Phi
* Chi Omega
* Delta Delta Delta
* Delta Gamma
* Delta Phi Epsilon
* Gamma Phi Beta
* Kappa Alpha Theta
* Kappa Kappa Gamma
* Pi Beta Phi
* Sigma Delta Tau
* Sigma Kappa

National Pan-Hellenic Council
* Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc.
* Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc.
* Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc.
* Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.
* Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc.
* Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc.
* Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Inc.
* Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc.

Multicultural Greek Council
* alpha Kappa Delta Phi
* Delta Theta Psi
* Kappa Phi Lambda
* Lambda Phi Epsilon
* Pi Alpha Phi
* Sigma Lambda Beta
* Sigma Lambda Gamma
* Zeta Sigma Chi
*Lambda Theta Alpha


GO BLUE~!

[PhoenixAzul]

allegheny recognizes greek life. Good school, beautiful (HILLY!) campus, have a lot of friends who go there.

[exlurker]

Wabash (on the Colleges that Change Lives list that alum posted) has 10 fraternities; the school says about 70 % of the students are greek.

http://www.wabash.edu/students/frats.cfm

[BaylorBean]

Originally Posted by exlurker

The others on the list, which I don't think have natonal Greek life (and some very probably never will) are

Colby

They did have greek life at one point...its where we were founded! but you are right that they probably won't have it again.

[alum]

Originally Posted by exlurker

Wabash (on the Colleges that Change Lives list that alum posted) has 10 fraternities; the school says about 70 % of the students are greek.

http://www.wabash.edu/students/frats.cfm

I'm not surprised about this at all. Both Wabash and Hampden-Sydney are all-male and I knew HSC had a high greek percentage.

[KatieKD]

Originally Posted by 33girl

When they say "Ivies" I assume they're talking about the quality of the academics only...

because some of those schools definitely don't have the other things that you think of when you say "Ivy League."

For some of them, yeah it's just academic quality. But most of them have very competitive admissions, competitive academics, and a large percentage of students continuing on to graduate schools. There are a few that I question as "New Ivies" but many of the ones on the list really are that good. Also, their names look pretty good to grad schools admissions officers.

Greek life probably varies quite a bit from school to school...I guess that's all I know about this though.

[irishpipes]

I'm just so glad that we have another thread where we can discuss how elite everyone is or isn't.

[macallan25]

UTexas > You.

[KatieKD]

Oh, I forgot, the ridiculous prices of some of those schools compare with the ivies...some are almost $50,000 a year

[alum]

Schools charge what the market will bear. Remember that private schools don't get subsidies and funding from a state's coffers as do publics.

Where I grew up and where I live now (2 VERY different areas), parents will gladly (maybe more willingly than gladly) pay full coat of attendance (COA) if it's the best fit for their kid. For us, the flagship public universities in our current state (and we have 2 in the top 30) just didn't "fit" with our oldest. Some kids just want a science/math driven curriculum like MIT, Caltech, some want Ivy only, some want a prestigious LAC. Still others want the bigger state school. It is up to the parents and the applicant to find the best fit for which the parent is willing to pay.

[L.O.C.K.]

Originally Posted by tld221

alpha Kappa Delta Phi, Historically Asian/Asian American Sorority*
Kappa Phi Lambda, Historically Asian/Asian American Sorority*
Iota Nu Delta
Lambda Phi Epsilon*
Pi Delta Psi

aKDPhi has 43 chapters nationally
KPL has 24 chapters nationally
IND is a historically South Asian based Fraternity with about 12-14 chapters
LPhiE is the largest Historically Asian/Asian American Fraternity with about 46 chapters
PDPsi, my organization, has 20 chapters nationally.

With the exception of IND, all of those above would be considered national by Asian Greek standards.

Just some info.

[PhoenixAzul]

Originally Posted by alum

Schools charge what the market will bear. Remember that private schools don't get subsidies and funding from a state's coffers as do publics.

Where I grew up and where I live now (2 VERY different areas), parents will gladly (maybe more willingly than gladly) pay full coat of attendance (COA) if it's the best fit for their kid. For us, the flagship public universities in our current state (and we have 2 in the top 30) just didn't "fit" with our oldest. Some kids just want a science/math driven curriculum like MIT, Caltech, some want Ivy only, some want a prestigious LAC. Still others want the bigger state school. It is up to the parents and the applicant to find the best fit for which the parent is willing to pay.

My college (Otterbein) is about 27,000 a year. But, I end up paying less to go there and live in than I would going to a PA state school and living in, because I qualified for merit aid. State schools didn't offer me any merit aid, and I was out of the "need" aid range. But OC offered me several sizeable scholarships that brought my costs down to about 7 a year. And the education was/is exactly what I was looking for...small classes, professors not TA's, small campus, campus "feel", and a real campus community. I didn't feel any of those at the state schools I got accepted to, nor some of the more "elite" private schools I was accepted by. I can honestly say that I do not regret my decision in the least, and the above is pretty spot on.

[alum]

PA is absolutely correct. Merit aid is another wonderful thing that not enough parents/students research while looking at schools. For middle-class earners who have been diligent about saving, the EFC is going to be quite high, in many cases greater than a year of salary. When the EFC is greater than the COA, the student won't get any need-based aid.

We have friends whose son got a full-tuition merit scholarship to RPI for 4 years. He would not have gotten one from MIT etc, simply because MIT doesn't provide them.

When a student is looking for colleges with an eye for merit aid, initially look at the mid 50% range for standardized tests. Look more closely at the schools where your SAT/ACT scores are higher than those of the schools' high end range. This is just a starting point.

Originally Posted by PhoenixAzul

My college (Otterbein) is about 27,000 a year. But, I end up paying less to go there and live in than I would going to a PA state school and living in, because I qualified for merit aid. State schools didn't offer me any merit aid, and I was out of the "need" aid range. But OC offered me several sizeable scholarships that brought my costs down to about 7 a year. And the education was/is exactly what I was looking for...small classes, professors not TA's, small campus, campus "feel", and a real campus community. I didn't feel any of those at the state schools I got accepted to, nor some of the more "elite" private schools I was accepted by. I can honestly say that I do not regret my decision in the least, and the above is pretty spot on.