Pledging Backwards...

[marquise1911]

Originally Posted by laidbackfella

Is she currently dating a Kappa?

Joining an organization that has a separate, specific, independant and ITS OWN autonomous purpose falling outside the scope of the those covered by D9 organizations doesn't seem to be a backwards step.

It just not the "norm" most people are accustomed to seeing.

No she's not. She just wants to be a sweet for some reason.

[marquise1911]

Originally Posted by pinkies up

To each is own, but why would someone want to latch on to another person's sub-group, when they have a lot of work to do in their own organization. Seems backwards to me. That's like getting your Ph.D and then going to a junior college or vocational school. Why?

Exactly! Sweetheart organizations tend to be "support" organizations. But I feel one should spend time supporting ones own organization. And by being greek, especially D9, we can support each other. If she wants to support the Nupes, she can do that as a Zeta.

If I got my Bachelors in Business I could use it to get a job in marketing, management, and finance. I don't have to go back to school every time I switch jobs. That would be dumb!

[laidbackfella]

Originally Posted by marquise1911

If I got my Bachelors in Business I could use it to get a job in marketing, management, and finance. I don't have to go back to school every time I switch jobs. That would be dumb!

Of course.

Those happen to be HIGHLY related fields.

But what happens if, for whatever reason, you have an interest in carpentry?

With that you can't "fake it til you make it".

[marquise1911]

Originally Posted by laidbackfella

Of course.

Those happen to be HIGHLY related fields.

But what happens if, for whatever reason, you have an interest in carpentry?

With that you can't "fake it til you make it".

well would you leave a job with a Fortune 500 company to make cabinets?

[FeeFee]

Originally Posted by marquise1911

well would you leave a job with a Fortune 500 company to make cabinets?

You'd be surprised at the career changes that people go through. Don't assume that everyone who works for a Fortune 500 company is making $$$$$. Some are only making $$$ or $$. Don't sleep on carpentry. They don't make minimum wage salaries.

[laidbackfella]

Originally Posted by marquise1911

well would you leave a job with a Fortune 500 company to make cabinets?

If I was in the mail room?

Yes, I'd be charting my own path.

If I was an executive?

Yes, I'd have a large client base.

If cabinets making was something that was a passion for me and I had the skills to get paid from it why would I stay?

[laidbackfella]

Originally Posted by FeeFee

Don't sleep on carpentry. They don't make minimum wage salaries.

Right, as its a skill that can't be easily done using software or strategies.

It's a trade that requires time and attention to detail.

Some of the big time developers here in SC, started out with hammers in their hand.

[Japan357]

To me, I dont really see the point in "double pledging" to being with. You have to look at what the goals of the organizations are. If you want to be D9 thats cool, that opens up plenty of doors and each D9 org has some sort of community service events for you to participate in. What then, would be the point of pledging another service org that essentially attempts to do the same thing? If you really were so concerned about doing community service you wouldnt need to keep pledging organizations to do so. You can just go volunteer at the red cross, good will, fema, boys club, or whatever. You think everyone in the world that does community service feels the need to "pledge" just to do so? NO! I dont like the idea of orgs as "stepping stones" either. Then once you get into the org you really want you abandon the first. Thats messed up, I believe in staying active and backing all the promises you made as an interest. If you have an interest in one org I think you should go straight for that one, why waste time on an org you consider a "stepping stone?" That isnt fair to them or you. Finally, the girl would get more respect supporting the Nupes as a Zeta than she would as a sweetheart anyway, plus her Blue Phi family would probably be pretty upset with her.

PS. For those of you who are wondering, yes I did in a certain sense "double pledge" seeing that I'm also a Mason, but that org has a completely different goal and purpose than greek orgs and it is not by any means a "stepping stone."

[laidbackfella]

Originally Posted by Japan357

PS. For those of you who are wondering, yes I did in a certain sense "double pledge" seeing that I'm also a Mason, but that org has a completely different goal and purpose than greek orgs and it is not by any means a "stepping stone."

While this is your understanding and you have the information to support that claim, others, looking from the outside in, may not view it the same.

Just as you are doing with service organizations.

I think that D9 Greeks get stuff twisted up at times thinking that everyone joins, or wants to join another organization because they want more of what D9 Greeks do/have.

Sometimes organizations have a history, within a career or profession, that many D9 Greeks refuse to investigate because they feel that they have hit the pinnacle of Greekdom.

The only real problem that I have with organizations outside of the NPHC, that are NOT historically recognized as having a sense of "Social Greek Life", is when they begin to "adopt" traditions indicative of D9 organizations on a chapter by chapter basis, rather than something that is recognized and acknowledged by a majority of the body or their headquarters.

[Japan357]

Originally Posted by laidbackfella

While this is your understanding and you have the information to support that claim, others, looking from the outside in, may not view it the same.

Just as you are doing with service organizations.

I think that D9 Greeks get stuff twisted up at times thinking that everyone joins, or wants to join another organization because they want more of what D9 Greeks do/have.
Sometimes organizations have a history, within a career or profession, that many D9 Greeks refuse to investigate because they feel that they have hit the pinnacle of Greekdom.

The only real problem that I have with organizations outside of the NPHC, that are NOT historically recognized as having a sense of "Social Greek Life", is when they begin to "adopt" traditions indicative of D9 organizations on a chapter by chapter basis, rather than something that is recognized and acknowledged by a majority of the body or their headquarters.

You know, that is a good point I can acknowledge that. However, it was my understanding that greek orgs outside of the D9 that are about more than "service" typically have something relating to that in their titles. For example there are greek orgs that are considered "professional music frats, professional business frat, legal frat, etc." If it is termed a "service frat" that is all that one can infer in terms of its purpose.

[PinkPop]

She should do whatever she wants to do.. if she wants to be a sweetheart then she should do it. It's just life... no big deal. The earth won't stop rotating if she becomes a sweet so i don't see the big issue.

[laidbackfella]

Originally Posted by Japan357

You know, that is a good point I can acknowledge that. However, it was my understanding that greek orgs outside of the D9 that are about more than "service" typically have something relating to that in their titles. For example there are greek orgs that are considered "professional music frats, professional business frat, legal frat, etc." If it is termed a "service frat" that is all that one can infer in terms of its purpose.

I agree.

We don't have any service greeks at my school so I have no idea what their role is in the community as a large.

From looking at the Alpha Phi Omega website I noticed:

VISION
To be recognized as the premier service-based leadership development organization.

MISSION
Prepare campus and community leaders through service.

VALUES
Develop leadership, promote friendship, and provide service.

One of their Founders, Frank Reed Horton, stated:

My purpose was to make Alpha Phi Omega an organization for college men who cooperated with all youth movements, especially Scouting. I also anticipated that our Service program would expand to help people in need everywhere and to do service on the campus of each Chapter.

Further information from their website states that one of their long term goals is to change APO culture form campus based to a lifelong commitment.

This may or may not be reflective of other service organizations but it seems as if Alpha Phi Omega strives to provide service interactions during a very specific period of time in a person's life.

THAT, I can respect.

[teena]

Originally Posted by marquise1911

No she's not. She just wants to be a sweet for some reason.

To get into Kappa parties for free? If I were a Kappa, I would find her highly suspect.

[dzdst796]

I guess it would be what their preference is, but I would question that person as to why they feel the need to join a little sister org. to FRATENITY when they are already a member of SORORITY. It just doesn't make sense to me.

[marquise1911]

^^ Right on the money!!!

Let's be general.

1) The D9 is not the pinnacle of greekdom, but is OBVIOUSLY more developed and organized than the sweet heart organizations they created and latter abandoned.

2) An individual can perform community service and support an organization without pledging a support organization.

3) When one pledges, one makes an oath, hence it's called "pledging". Multiple allegiances lead to conflicts of interests and character.

Graduate from Harvard and then go to a community college for your master's
Quit your job as a corp. exec. to work part time at Burger King
Eric leaving Hallie for Shaquandaniesha from the Boom Boom Room

It's just backwards.