Israel at War? - Page 2

tunatartare · #16 07-13-2006, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by _Opi_

You know it's funny..I'm reading a headline over at CNN and it says "Dozens of Lebanese killed and 10 Israelis". Isn't the body count of Lebanese civilians as important as Israelis? I guess not.

Dozens sounds more dramatic and garners more support for the Lebanese and makes the Israelis look more bloodthirsty and inhumane.

_Opi_ · #17 07-13-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

Dozens sounds more dramatic and garners more support for the Lebanese and makes the Israelis look more bloodthirsty and inhumane.

I guess it depends on how you look at it. Numbers are usually more concrete and unambiguous, where as "dozens" is more general.

tunatartare · #18 07-13-2006, 11:48 PM

Dozens can mean 24 or it can mean 200. People tend to associate dozens with being a higher number.

shinerbock · #19 07-13-2006, 11:57 PM

Yes, CNN is biased. Their slant is liberal, which is generally more prone to condemn Israel.
Regarding your points, I don't see your reasoning. Israel is not targeting civilians, as most of their targets to this point have included the highway that connects Lebanon to Syria, bridges and other transport routes, and the Hezbollah HQ. Meanwhile, Hezbollah has fired 100 missiles into Israel, many into a popular resort city. I don't think they are taking advantage of the situation at all, they are going after their attackers. It isn't just a few people responsible, it is two massive terrorist groups, who are being harbored by Lebanon, Syria and Iran. There is evidence which suggest that Iran National Guard troops actually aided in the firing of missiles into Israel. This is not the same war on terror the United States is in, this is simply a nation-state war. Lets say for example Israel sends Mossad in and gets the people who actually snatched the guy. That solves nothing. You and others are acting as though Syria, Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas are countries to be trusted and who are simply responding to what has happened to them. These are terrorist countries. They don't play fair. They don't want soldier release, they want the end of Israel. Israel's only solution to see this violence stop, is to demolish these terror groups.

KillarneyRose · #20 07-14-2006, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RACooper

I know it's not going to be popular... but I agree with the EU calling it a "disproportionate force" being used by Israel. Seriously, think about it, the damage and death in Gaza and Lebanon for the sake of 3 Israeli lives? There were a myriad of other options open for the Israelis to recover the first kidnapping victim, but by using a "sledgehammer" response they provoked another kidnapping and more attacks ~ how is this resolving the issue? To me it looks like Israel was looking for an excuse to lay some "smack down" on Gaza and Lebanon... whether to remind them of who's boss; or to keep them destabilzed internally to limit there future threat...

I agree with you 100%, Rob. As do a lot of people I know in "real life", whose opinions I greatly respect.

shinerbock · #21 07-14-2006, 12:32 AM

While I understand yall's desire to keep this from escalating, I simply cannot understand how you really think Israel could respond and end the conflict. The demands made by Palestine and Hezbollah were to release many prisoners Israel was holding. I cannot fathom how you think 3 soldiers for 100 terrorists is a fair deal. Once again Israel is NOT DEALING WITH NORMAL NATIONS. Iran and Syria are terrorist states. As for the Palestinians, which liberals for some reason have long supported over the Israelis, their former leader, Arafat was one of the biggest terrorists in the world. I don't mean terrorist like some of you say Bush is a terrorist, I mean terrorist like throw a bomb into a crowded building terrorist. I support all and any action Israel uses to secure its citizens. The media is reporting that Israel is dropping leaflets for Lebanese citizens to stay away from Hezbollah strongholds. I'm pretty sure the 100 missiles into Israeli cities didn't have similar citizen warnings. Not only do I hope Israel gets their soldiers back, I hope they entirely destroy Hezbollah and Hamas. If that means killing every last one of the terrorists, so be it.

moe.ron · #22 07-14-2006, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudey

The Christian population is small, the Muslim population is big and they support the terrorists.

100% of the Lebanese Muslim population support terrorists, right Rudey?

Those big bad Muslims are everywhere. Be prepared to be beheaded.

Rudey · #23 07-14-2006, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RACooper

I know it's not going to be popular... but I agree with the EU calling it a "disproportionate force" being used by Israel. Seriously, think about it, the damage and death in Gaza and Lebanon for the sake of 3 Israeli lives? There were a myriad of other options open for the Israelis to recover the first kidnapping victim, but by using a "sledgehammer" response they provoked another kidnapping and more attacks ~ how is this resolving the issue? To me it looks like Israel was looking for an excuse to lay some "smack down" on Gaza and Lebanon... whether to remind them of who's boss; or to keep them destabilzed internally to limit there future threat...

Of course this could be because I'm worried about friends in that are in both Israel and Lebanon... and some of the areas reported hit (again on both sides) are areas that they are living and working in

Yes for 3 Israeli lives they are willing to kill themselves.

Lay some smack down Rob? They cut Gaza in two to prevent movement of kidnappers and to stop rocket fire. Hezbollah said they planned this for a long time. It was not provoked because of this.

Where was Europe when Lebanon could have mobilized its army along the border so that Hezbollah would leave?

Where was Europe when Syria and Iran funded terror with a wink? Oh yeah they were busy profiting from them.

-Rudey

shinerbock · #24 07-14-2006, 02:34 AM

Lets bring a final solution to Hamas and Hezbollah. You know, peace agreements that don't really bring peace are pretty worthless. Its time.

Rudey · #25 07-14-2006, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by _Opi_

You know it's funny..I'm reading a headline over at CNN and it says "Dozens of Lebanese killed and 10 Israelis". Isn't the body count of Lebanese civilians as important as Israelis? I guess not.

The Lebanese have determined that their lives are worthless.

They support Hezbollah and want their virgins when they die.

If they value their lives, they shouldn't do this.

Israel should have killed 100 men in the jails every single hour that the kidnappers held an Israeli.

If Europe wants to bargain with the Arabs, let them. But Israel shouldn't have to. Israel is not in Lebanon. The UN has verified the full withdrawal.

-Rudey

moe.ron · #26 07-14-2006, 02:38 AM

I was being cynical. Aside, there never was any peace agreement and military action can only do something for a limited time. Ultimately, political solution will bring sustainable peace in that region. It better come quickly though, the gas price are going off the roof.

Rudey · #27 07-14-2006, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by moe.ron

100% of the Lebanese Muslim population support terrorists, right Rudey?

Those big bad Muslims are everywhere. Be prepared to be beheaded.

I didn't say everyone and everywhere. Also please refrain from calling people darkies. I'm from Iran. You are Asian right? So you really have zero right to call someone a darkie. Your racial intolerance is unacceptable.

-Rudey
--Dirka dirka

shinerbock · #28 07-14-2006, 02:40 AM

Its time to pay up, everyone give me your buck-o-five for your freedom.

Rudey · #29 07-14-2006, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by _Opi_

Shinerbock,

Do not tell that CNN is NOT biased, because for the most part it is. It's a waste of time watching it really.

Here's my take: What Israel is doing is not actually looking for their soldiers but taking advantage of the situation to attack. The sad part is, they are targetting civilians instead of the real culprits and the only thing the U.S. president is saying about the matter is "to take it easy on the weak Lebanese gov't..but hey, let's focus on Syria". But personally, I concede with Russia and France on this one. It is excessive use of force, unnecessary, unacceptable and unjust. If Israel is so militarized, why don't they just send out the Israeli Intelligence and take out the real targets. I'm sure they would have no problems finding them, instead of killing civilians to make a point. But hey, we live in the real world, I guess..*sigh*

Those civilians that pushed out the Christian population? Those civilians that provide support for Hezbollah?

This is an act of war by Lebanon.

Lebanon has integrated Hezbollah into its government and it is Hezbollah that initiated this act of war. I'd love to know which modern war had no civilians die.

Oh and the fact that the Lebanese attacked pretty far into Israel and targeted Haifa clearly indicates they wanted to escalate this.

-Rudey

moe.ron · #30 07-14-2006, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudey

I didn't say everyone and everywhere. Also please refrain from calling people darkies. I'm from Iran. You are Asian right? So you really have zero right to call someone a darkie. Your racial intolerance is unacceptable.

-Rudey
--Dirka dirka

Read the previous post. A side question, which Israeli stocks should I start buying up since the index is going down? Want to add some cheap stocks for my portfolio.