UW-LaCrosse & UW-Oshkosh

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
That being said, Mr. Conard, Platteville had a fraternity in 1866 and a sorority in 1867, both of which are still open. The fraternity is now Phi Sigma, which started as the Philadelphia Society and was briefly a member of Phi Sigma Epsilon, then Phi Sigma Kappa. That sorority is Gamma Phi Beta, which started as Nulli Secundas, then was the Athenaeum Society, then was Alpha Theta Chi. Both groups have maintained a continous presence on campus. So while primative (which it was) your assertion about the presence of GLOs is incorrect.

I'm going to start a sorority and call it Mens Rea. Does that sound too much like Menstruation?

[DeltAlum]

Somebody gave me an Up With People sweatshirt once -- it's a long story...

I told everyone UWP stood for University of Wisconsin/Platteville whenever someone asked.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by valkyrie
I'm going to start a sorority and call it Mens Rea. Does that sound too much like Menstruation?

Not at all.

[Little E]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I think a big problem with Wisconsin Greek life is unfriendly administrations and townies - I know my chapter had quite a problem with neighbors in one of our former houses.

I think you also have to take the culture of the state into consideration. My dad teaches at UW-Stout and he has an astounding number of students who are first gen college students every year, no one has told them the ins and outs of college life, let alone greek life. You just do not find legacies esp 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation legacies. I think it is not an easy thing to change because there is a prevelant image of greek life that is not appealing to most Wisconsinites.

[ZZ-kai-]

Couldn't agree more.

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I think a big problem with Wisconsin Greek life is unfriendly administrations and townies - I know my chapter had quite a problem with neighbors in one of our former houses.

[33girl]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
My comment about Platteville being primitive, Greek-wise: I may
have been hasty; there've been a potful of locals and literary societies, many of them laughable, some good, and many in between. But if they were great, over-all, what happened to them
as few are left?
Please ignore the comment, though, as I did not intend to offend any particular person or school; I could have used Slippery Rock, Clarion, Portland, Kansas Wesleyan, or a slew of others.
And, my visits to those places were all too brief, just to
make quick assessments and fill out reports.
Great changes often resulted after a local has gone 'national.'
Tremendous transformations, mostly good.
But my over-all point is that Wisconsin will come back, and the
hike in tuition certainly did not enhance out of state recruitment.

Erik, I think you need to reevaluate
your comments on Clarion, as for whatever reason
they welcomed TKE back with open arms
after they ran underground for years and the national HQ
did little to nothing to stop it.
Let me state that the reason they got kicked off campus
was for trashing the Sigma Chis' house, not the silly alcohol
rules that have eradicated fraternities from other campi.
I can only $peculate as to why they welcomed them back.
There have not been locals at Clarion for a very long time
now, so I'm guessing you were there when it was
still a normal school.



Thanks for bumping the other thread GP and reminding me about this.

[Little E]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
My comment about Platteville being primitive, Greek-wise: I may
have been hasty; there've been a potful of locals and literary societies, many of them laughable, some good, and many in between. But if they were great, over-all, what happened to them
as few are left?
Please ignore the comment, though, as I did not intend to offend any particular person or school; I could have used Slippery Rock, Clarion, Portland, Kansas Wesleyan, or a slew of others.
And, my visits to those places were all too brief, just to
make quick assessments and fill out reports.
Great changes often resulted after a local has gone 'national.'
Tremendous transformations, mostly good.
But my over-all point is that Wisconsin will come back, and the
hike in tuition certainly did not enhance out of state recruitment.

In the case of Beloit, an old WI school (though private so perhaps slightly different), a number of National orgs did not change their membership policies in the 1970s quick enough for the school administration. So the school clamped down, bought all the old houses and turned them into campus buildings and a 100 + year old tradition simmered down pretty quickly. As you know once the chapter is closed, it is hard to get it open again and the campus has been cautious about letting a local even open the campus up for extention as they are ambivilent about NPC. Though from what I understand, one of the current locals has gotten the campus open for extention. The school culture doesn't seem to support a resurgence (at this point) of strong National orgs. Many have tried, most recently Beta, most have left. What I'm saying is that National might create the illusion of accountability, but in the day to day aspects locals and nationals are not all that different.

http://www.beloit.edu/~libhome/Archi...oit/greek.html

[Rudey]

Originally posted by 33girl
Erik, I think you need to reevaluate
your comments on Clarion, as for whatever reason
they welcomed TKE back with open arms
after they ran underground for years and the national HQ
did little to nothing to stop it.
Let me state that the reason they got kicked off campus
was for trashing the Sigma Chis' house, not the silly alcohol
rules that have eradicated fraternities from other campi.
I can only $peculate as to why they welcomed them back.
There have not been locals at Clarion for a very long time
now, so I'm guessing you were there when it was
still a normal school.



Thanks for bumping the other thread GP and reminding me about this.

You can't replicate a master symphony. It can never live up to the original my little Ellen DeGeneres

-Rudey

[PSKAdvisor]

Well then, quite a thread I started here just looking for info on two campuses...

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Most of the locals on Platteville's campus went national - and it definitely was for the better. One male local and two female locals are still open.

That male local is the Phi Sigma local, I assume. I was active Phi Sigma Kappa at UW-Milwaukee (or a recent alum ) when Platteville went back to local status.

Stories from HQ were very bad things about the chapter, stories from the chapter were control issues about HQ (no common-source alcohol parties and no little sisters were the big ones).

I'm not sure how the attitude is at UWP now. Really old groups are difficult to merge into a national sometimes, unless they find themselves "saved" from certain death by the national that comes in.

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I think a big problem with Wisconsin Greek life is unfriendly administrations and townies - I know my chapter had quite a problem with neighbors in one of our former houses.

I think Wisconsin is unique. There's a state law (36.09(5)) that allows students to organize and tax how they see fit, and that organizing authority is the Student Government body on the respective campuses. (This only applies to UW System schools). This was pushed through in a lawsuit in the early 1970s (72?).

http://www.unitedcouncil.net/resources/sharedgov.shtml

That same authority for the students seems to have given the administration a real "hands-off" attitude toward the greeks (and actually all student organizations), unless the respective student governments have given the administration funds and power to actually administrate.

I must say, in my time in school it was near impossible to find an administrator that was pro-greek. There wasn't even a greek adviser for many years. Now there's finally someone who has a 20% allocation of time + salary budget to greek advising.

[Tom Earp]

Actually, it seems that Few want to answer Your original question but to put crap on that doesnt amount to a hill of beans!

So, I hope there was a little that You gleened out of Mole Hill.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by PSKAdvisor
Well then, quite a thread I started here just looking for info on two campuses...



That male local is the Phi Sigma local, I assume. I was active Phi Sigma Kappa at UW-Milwaukee (or a recent alum ) when Platteville went back to local status.

Stories from HQ were very bad things about the chapter, stories from the chapter were control issues about HQ (no common-source alcohol parties and no little sisters were the big ones).

I'm not sure how the attitude is at UWP now. Really old groups are difficult to merge into a national sometimes, unless they find themselves "saved" from certain death by the national that comes in.

They are about the same as they were then. I think the chapter is on probation, as is one of the local sororities. They still have parties that are fun but a risk management nightmare from a national standpoint, and they also still have the little sister group.

[Erik P Conard]

it is difficult to use virtually ANY campus without getting a tale or
two from someone to defend it. At Platteville, while I thought the
normal school and the industrial facility were primitive, I dined at
the same time with Pres. and Mrs Bjarne Ulsvik...so I was hardly
a nefarious character who slipped in and out under the cover of
darkness. During that period, 1958 or so, I hit a helleva lot of schools, so from my grab bag of old I have sometimes a lapse of
details. As to Clarion, I was there in Sept of 58, and there were
no nationals, I think. But who tossed who in the shower or who
peed on the Sig Tau table...that is a bit small in the whole scheme
of things when I hit about 200 campuses in a coupla years. I could
have used Kent State, Southern Oregon or schools I failed such as Central Washington or Midland...People, I paint with a broad
brush, this is not moot court, and sometimes we use generalities
in order to present a total picture with an eye later towards the
answering of exceptions. TKE had negro members at Beloit as
early as 1956 and so did Beta. The other chapters were the ones
who had the clauses. Beloit is kind of a kinky school, kind of like
Kenyon, with Greeks or Reed without.
I am not in here to isolate anyone, rather to explain a lot of things
of the past, the 50s especially, which most of you have no clue at
all. Gimme some slack, please. Tommy still likes me.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
it is difficult to use virtually ANY campus without getting a tale or
two from someone to defend it. At Platteville, while I thought the
normal school and the industrial facility were primitive, I dined at
the same time with Pres. and Mrs Bjarne Ulsvik...so I was hardly
a nefarious character who slipped in and out under the cover of
darkness. During that period, 1958 or so, I hit a helleva lot of schools, so from my grab bag of old I have sometimes a lapse of
details. As to Clarion, I was there in Sept of 58, and there were
no nationals, I think. But who tossed who in the shower or who
peed on the Sig Tau table...that is a bit small in the whole scheme
of things when I hit about 200 campuses in a coupla years. I could
have used Kent State, Southern Oregon or schools I failed such as Central Washington or Midland...People, I paint with a broad
brush, this is not moot court, and sometimes we use generalities
in order to present a total picture with an eye later towards the
answering of exceptions. TKE had negro members at Beloit as
early as 1956 and so did Beta. The other chapters were the ones
who had the clauses. Beloit is kind of a kinky school, kind of like
Kenyon, with Greeks or Reed without.
I am not in here to isolate anyone, rather to explain a lot of things
of the past, the 50s especially, which most of you have no clue at
all. Gimme some slack, please. Tommy still likes me.

I know that my chapter was there for nearly 100 years before you appeared on campus, so for you to say there were NO GLOS was erroneous. That's not picking a bone. If I said TKE was founded in 1993 at Kansas, you no doubt would have corrected me.

[kddani]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
it is difficult to use virtually ANY campus without getting a tale or
two from someone to defend it. At Platteville, while I thought the
normal school and the industrial facility were primitive, I dined at
the same time with Pres. and Mrs Bjarne Ulsvik...so I was hardly
a nefarious character who slipped in and out under the cover of
darkness. During that period, 1958 or so, I hit a helleva lot of schools, so from my grab bag of old I have sometimes a lapse of
details. As to Clarion, I was there in Sept of 58, and there were
no nationals, I think. But who tossed who in the shower or who
peed on the Sig Tau table...that is a bit small in the whole scheme
of things when I hit about 200 campuses in a coupla years. I could
have used Kent State, Southern Oregon or schools I failed such as Central Washington or Midland...People, I paint with a broad
brush, this is not moot court, and sometimes we use generalities
in order to present a total picture with an eye later towards the
answering of exceptions. TKE had negro members at Beloit as
early as 1956 and so did Beta. The other chapters were the ones
who had the clauses. Beloit is kind of a kinky school, kind of like
Kenyon, with Greeks or Reed without.
I am not in here to isolate anyone, rather to explain a lot of things
of the past, the 50s especially, which most of you have no clue at
all. Gimme some slack, please. Tommy still likes me.

Then don't talk about things that happened FIFTY YEARS AGO and act like they are still accurrate and apply today. Seriously, 50 YEARS AGO!!!!

[g41965]

DU had the bright idea to finally begin expanding aggressively in the late 1960's just when Greek's went into a 10 year slide in membership.
As our 150 year history states " Wisconsin which appeared to be fertile ground for expansion, proved to be anything but.
three chapters installed in 1969-1970 were dead by 1977. Wisconsin Plattville 1969-1974, Wisconsin Oshkosh 1970-1976, Marquette 1970 -1974.
I have not seen any indication that DU is planning to revive any of these chapters.