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05-03-2006, 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Optimist Prime
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America will NEVER have an offical language.
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Defend this position - cites would be nice, but if you want to just spout mindless generalizations and illogical 'truisms' without support, hey. Why not huh.
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05-03-2006, 02:58 PM
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I think it's fine to translate it into Spanish to help those who don't understand English get the meaning of the song. I'm all for it being translated into any language to help people understand it better.
When I was first learning Spanish my husband/friends always said "When you really know Spanish it will sound even better/make more sense". I still don't know it well enough to get that, but I can see how the same could be said for English.
That said, I absolutely think it should be sung in English. And I really don't think the people who came up with the idea had any plans for it to be sung at sporting events or whatever. However, it would have probably come across more "legit" if they had just one, well-respected Latin artist do it instead of a "we are the world" type hodge-podge of artists.
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05-03-2006, 03:06 PM
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However, it would have probably come across more "legit" if they had just one, well-respected Latin artist do it instead of a "we are the world" type hodge-podge of artists.
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A. B. Quintanilla. Or maybe (just maybe) Julio/Enrique Iglesias
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05-03-2006, 03:11 PM
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Defend this position - cites would be nice, but if you want to just spout mindless generalizations and illogical 'truisms' without support, hey. Why not huh.
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Check the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo, which basically states that we cannot inact a law that will supress the culture of the people of the land that treaty granted us. Thus, we cannot enact an official language.
Then check the constitution about treaties.
Tada, no official language.
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05-03-2006, 03:35 PM
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Check the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo, which basically states that we cannot inact a law that will supress the culture of the people of the land that treaty granted us. Thus, we cannot enact an official language.
Then check the constitution about treaties.
Tada, no official language.
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I haven't read the Treaty in its entirety, but what you've said basically sounds like official languages CAN be established. It just can't be a language spoken by those who originally had the land. However, this means that Spanish, possibly French and a host of Native American languages have to be included.
It is possible for countries to have more than one official language.
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05-03-2006, 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by kstar
Check the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo, which basically states that we cannot inact a law that will supress the culture of the people of the land that treaty granted us. Thus, we cannot enact an official language.
Then check the constitution about treaties.
Tada, no official language.
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Not really. Nobody said abolish Spanish so that makes no sense.
On top of that there are hundreds of treaties that nobody follows or are void. Ask the Native Americans about treaties.
Tada, official language.
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05-03-2006, 03:52 PM
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Check the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo, which basically states that we cannot inact a law that will supress the culture of the people of the land that treaty granted us.
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Okay, I've looked in the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo, and I can't find anything like that anywhere. Where is it, and what exactly does it say?
As for the national anthem, I'm of the opinion that by silently allowing countless celebrities to butcher the national anthem at sporting events over the last few decades, and by even applauding such horrors, Americans have forfeited the right to complain about anything anyone does to the national anthem.
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05-03-2006, 03:57 PM
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Mystic CAt, good call.
If you sing "o saved us that star spangled banner" then blitz ab (thats from the german version[not really])
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05-03-2006, 04:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by kstar
Check the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo, which basically states that we cannot inact a law that will supress the culture of the people of the land that treaty granted us. Thus, we cannot enact an official language.
Then check the constitution about treaties.
Tada, no official language.
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I'm glad amending these sorts of documents is impossible - hence the word 'never' being the point I'm addressing.
Additionally, the cites I'm finding for this document don't mention culture - instead, they mention protection for property and civil rights of the Mexicans inside the Texas/AZ/NM borders . . . I don't have time to scan the full text, but maybe you can help me? It's an interesting provision, but again you claim it "basically" says that - I'm honestly not trying to play semantic/semiotic games here, but it seems like a national language would certainly be possible, even if improbable.
-RC
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05-03-2006, 05:49 PM
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The Flag, Oh, Our, Yours and My Flag for the People wjho
Sorry, but either Speak the Lingo of the Country or do not expect every Given Thing as Cal. does.
Either Sing The National Anthem as it was supposed to be or do not sing it!
I cringe When I see some fat assed Bitch or Ex Rock Star Try To do It Their Way.
While I would like to see it Changed, It Is Our as Americans National Anthem.
If You do not like it, then why in the heck are You here?
This also goes for People Who Have Died and Will Die for My/Our Country!
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05-03-2006, 05:52 PM
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America will NEVER have an offical language.
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I hope You are Wrong.
We do not speak English, We Speak American.
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05-03-2006, 06:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by kstar
Check the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo, which basically states that we cannot inact a law that will supress the culture of the people of the land that treaty granted us. Thus, we cannot enact an official language.
Then check the constitution about treaties.
Tada, no official language.
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Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo? I don't think that is right......(maybe i'm wrong....I don't know.)
Tom, I agree.....why be here if you don't like it.
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05-04-2006, 12:55 AM
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You never cease to amaze me. Are you even human, or are you a robot created by the ACLU?
I'm not fine with the fact they changed the words to this song to fit their political agenda. FYI, the words weren't changed because of translation issues, the words were changed for amnesty issues.
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Thank you. Again, it's not about just translating it into Spanish. The words were rewritten to further the agenda. That's like spitting on the flag to me.
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05-04-2006, 01:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by kstar
Check the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo, which basically states that we cannot inact a law that will supress the culture of the people of the land that treaty granted us. Thus, we cannot enact an official language.
Then check the constitution about treaties.
Tada, no official language.
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Could you please show us the passage where it says this?
http://home.sandiego.edu/~villegas/articles.html
Thanks!
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05-04-2006, 01:51 AM
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I think some folks may be confused here. The 'Spanish Star-Spangled Banner' is not a true translation from English to Spanish. It's not even close to a word-for-word translation. Even the title has been changed to 'Nuestro Himno' or 'Our Anthem.'
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5369145
Just wanted to set this straight for people who thought it was a simple translation of Francis Scott Key's lyrics to Spanish.
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