Rabies vacs vs. waiver?

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by ISUKappa
While I do agree more research needs to be done, and it is better to have mercury-free vaccinations, it is not possible to claim that vaccinations (specifically the MMR vax) causes Autism in children, especially since the study that first brought up the connection was highly flawed and used a ridiculously small sample of children.

It's also not possible yet to rule it out yet, and a great deal of the circumstantial evidence does raise questions. Anecdotal without a doubt, but I know too many parents and doctors who can pinpoint a change in children to the time of vaccines. As blueangel said, the jury is still out.

As the parent of an ASD kid, I tend to think that lots of factors are going into the rise in ASDs -- vaccines may be one, and I (with admittedly little scientific evidence to go on) have suspicions about the rise in ASDs as compared to the introduction and increase of high fructose corn syrup and other artificial ingredients in foods. And while I think part of the rise in ASDs is due to better and earlier diagnoses, one has to wonder why the rate in the US is so much higher than in other western countries.

From what our doctors tell us, it may be less that vaccines "cause" autism, and more that some kids are particularly sensitive to certain things, such as the mercury in vaccines, and for those kids, it triggers a problem.

I'm doing a lot of research into vaccinations right now as my son is due for his first round next week and we're not sure we want to give them yet.

Good luck!

Originally posted by blueangel
Why does everything here always have to be an argument?!!!

Seemed like more of a discussion than an argument to me.

I also buy the majority of my foods from Whole Foods because I don't want chicken shot up with anti-biotics, nor do I want bovine hormone in my milk.

We but a lot at Whole Paycheck, too. But don't fool yourself into thinking that just because it's sold there, it's completely healthy or untainted.

So, go ahead.. be my guest... have all the mercury you want in your system. Put your head in the sand and convince yourself that everything is hunky dorie because the government wouldn't dare let anything harmful out there. (Hmmm... Vioxx? Phen Phen?)

Eat those hydrogenized oils... and all that poison that the government allows. Smoke those cigarrettes. It's your body, be my guest.. kill yourself slowly if you wish.

You said it yourself -- the jury is still out on vaccines and autism. So why would you assume that someone who questions whether there is a connection has their head in the sand and cares nothing about their own health?

[33girl]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
We buy a lot at Whole Paycheck, too. But don't fool yourself into thinking that just because it's sold there, it's completely healthy or untainted.

I was just going to say this - contrary to what some people believe, not everything sold at Whole Foods is organic/preservative free. This is stated right next to the food, and some people still don't get it...

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by 33girl
I was just going to say this - contrary to what some people believe, not everything sold at Whole Foods is organic/preservative free. This is stated right next to the food, and some people still don't get it...

Definitely - I'm surprised how many people shop there and just assume that everything is organic/preservative free. They definitely tell you what is and what isn't.

[blueangel]

Look, I was just trying to be helpful and give the original poster something to think about. I offered a link. That's all. I'll remember not to share any information that might be helpful in the future.

And yes, I know how to read "organic" and "conventional" at Whole Foods. Geeez.

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by blueangel
Look, I was just trying to be helpful and give the original poster something to think about. I offered a link. That's all. I'll remember not to share any information that might be helpful in the future.

So nothing you say can be questioned? If someone has another viewpoint, they should just keep their mouth shut?

You went off on a tangent because someone questioned you. I guess I just don't understand that.

[33girl]

Originally posted by blueangel
And yes, I know how to read "organic" and "conventional" at Whole Foods. Geeez.

That wasn't directed at you specifically, just a sidebar as we were discussing the store. One of my coworkers was like "I feed my baby everything organic, we only shop at Whole Foods" and when I told her everything there ISN'T organic she looked at me like I said the Easter Bunny was hopping down the hall.

They've done a great job of self promotion and branding, for real.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by blueangel
Look, I was just trying to be helpful and give the original poster something to think about. I offered a link. That's all. I'll remember not to share any information that might be helpful in the future.

And yes, I know how to read "organic" and "conventional" at Whole Foods. Geeez.

You were helpful. Please continue to offer helpful info in the future. You just don't need to blow a gasket and ask why everything on GreekChat has to turn into an argument (which this wasn't) if someone else, also trying to be helpful, offers information from another perspective.

And for what it's worth, I never assumed you can't read "organic" and "conventional." As 33girl said, that was made as a general comment. But there are degrees of "organic," and quite a few people don't know that the "industrialized organic" at Whole Foods isn't really what they envision when they see food labeled "organic."

I, too, was trying to be helpful.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by blueangel
Why does everything here always have to be an argument?!!! If you don't agree with me, then fine.. go get mercury shot in your arm. I personally, don't want that poison in me, which is why I get white fillings in my cavaties instead of silver.

I also buy the majority of my foods from Whole Foods because I don't want chicken shot up with anti-biotics, nor do I want bovine hormone in my milk. And I don't eat beef unless it comes from a source which only feeds organic vegetable feed. I'm not convinced our beef supply is safe from Mad Cow-- especially after researching how lax our government is. (Why do you think Japan boycotted US meat?)

So, go ahead.. be my guest... have all the mercury you want in your system. Put your head in the sand and convince yourself that everything is hunky dorie because the government wouldn't dare let anything harmful out there. (Hmmm... Vioxx? Phen Phen?)

Eat those hydrogenized oils... and all that poison that the government allows. Smoke those cigarrettes. It's your body, be my guest.. kill yourself slowly if you wish.

Don't shoot the messenger.

blueangel, don't you think you created this argument yourself?

[ISUKappa]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
It's also not possible yet to rule it out yet, and a great deal of the circumstantial evidence does raise questions. Anecdotal without a doubt, but I know too many parents and doctors who can pinpoint a change in children to the time of vaccines. As blueangel said, the jury is still out.

I know it's not possible to completely rule it out, but I don't think anyone can fully claim strong evidence that it causes it either. I think there are a number of factors that come into play.

blueangel
I'm hardly arguing with you. If you'll read my post, you'll see I agree it's better to have mercury-free vaccinations, especially with infants and toddlers. I'm just saying no one can claim that vaccinations *cause* autism. You're the one who went off on the whole organic/health tangent. With anything in life, each person has to weigh the benefits and risks of their chosen lifestyle and make their personal decisions for themselves.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by ISUKappa
I think there are a number of factors that come into play.

I pretty much agree. My anecdotal, not scientific, evidence leads me to think that vaccines may be one of those factors. That's about as far as I'm willing to go on that, until more scientific evidence is accumulated.

[kstar]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
My boyfriend has had it (after getting bit by a bat) and he said it wasn't too bad.

Thank you. This is the type of information I was looking for.

I scheduled the first round of the rabies vac for next week. (I have to wait for them to get the shot in airgun. I don't do needles.)

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by kstar
Thank you. This is the type of information I was looking for.

I scheduled the first round of the rabies vac for next week. (I have to wait for them to get the shot in airgun. I don't do needles.)

He had it with needles - I have no idea if that makes a difference or not.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by kstar
Thank you. This is the type of information I was looking for.

I scheduled the first round of the rabies vac for next week. (I have to wait for them to get the shot in airgun. I don't do needles.)

So, how does that work with the airgun?? That sounds way more painful!

[ZTAngel]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Why are you concerned about this as an adult? Doesn't autism usually develop in youth?

Yep. And considering the original poster is an adult, she doesn't have to worry about developing autism from the vaccination.

blueangel, nobody attacked you. Just as you stated your opinion, so did the other posters.

[kstar]

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
So, how does that work with the airgun?? That sounds way more painful!

Basically it blows the medicine through your pores. It makes a harder knot in your skin than a traditional injection, but it's a small trade off for not going insane about a shot.

That was part of my fear of getting the vaccination, if it was still in the abdomen it's a rather large needle.