Please tell me that this is a joke...

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
That website is a big piece of antipapist suck.

Where do you see "antipapist suck"? I acknowledge that this site has been developed from a Protestant perspective. However, you can't throw out all the research on this entire site because you disagree with their position! While they do categorize each entry based on their own interpretation/opinion, they also provide links to other information.

Word-Faith is regarded as heretical by ALL but its own followers. It has no basis in Church Tradition or Scripture.

ETA: I am the last person you need to worry about promoting any information that would attack the Catholic Church, however I do promote the safe exchange of questions regarding all things Christian. Being Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant/etc. does not make you Christian. Christ makes you Christian.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
Where do you see "antipapist suck"? I acknowledge that this site has been developed from a Protestant perspective. However, you can't throw out all the research on this entire site because you disagree with their position! While they do categorize each entry based on their own interpretation/opinion, they also provide links to other information.

Word-Faith is regarded as heretical by ALL but its own followers. It has no basis in Church Tradition or Scripture.

Their page on Roman Catholicim is clearly written with a Protestant bias. That is antipapist suck.

"In other words, whatever truths Catholicism may teach in theology generally, serious errors are also encountered. We can see this, in theology proper (the Catholic Church as the continuing incarnation of Christ); in bibliology (Catholicism as the only true Church of Christ); in hamartheology (aspects of pelagianism; moral and venial categories); in Christology (Mariology; the Church as continuing incarnation; the Mass); and in soteriology (Catholic teaching on justification, sanctification, regenerarion, and the sacraments)."

from http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c16.html

That's antipapist and wrong. I'm not going to take it seriously.

Do I think the word-faith movement is stupid? Absolutely. Anyone with a basic grasp of Judeo-Christian principles would. That doesn't mean I think that website is legitimate.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Their page on Roman Catholicim is clearly written with a Protestant bias. That is antipapist suck.

"In other words, whatever truths Catholicism may teach in theology generally, serious errors are also encountered. We can see this, in theology proper (the Catholic Church as the continuing incarnation of Christ); in bibliology (Catholicism as the only true Church of Christ); in hamartheology (aspects of pelagianism; moral and venial categories); in Christology (Mariology; the Church as continuing incarnation; the Mass); and in soteriology (Catholic teaching on justification, sanctification, regenerarion, and the sacraments)."

from http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c16.html

That's antipapist and wrong. I'm not going to take it seriously.

Do I think the word-faith movement is stupid? Absolutely. Anyone with a basic grasp of Judeo-Christian principles would. That doesn't mean I think that website is legitimate.

This tension among the overarching sects of Christianity has existed for CENTURIES! You can't possibly disregard all information presented by non-Catholics simply because they refute Catholic teachings.

Scholarly work requires us to consider, evaluate and weigh all positions, even while - perhaps - not agreeing with their viewpoints. "antipapist and wrong" does not equal "I'm not going to take it seriously." Agree to disagree and move on!!

When I asked for evidence regarding "antipapist suck," I was looking for evidence in their pages on things other than Catholicism. Of course they're going to present contrary views because the Christian church is hopelessly splintered and fights itself!

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
This tension among the overarching sects of Christianity has existed for CENTURIES! You can't possibly disregard all information presented by non-Catholics simply because they refute Catholic teachings.

Scholarly work requires us to consider, evaluate and weigh all positions, even while - perhaps - not agreeing with their viewpoints. "antipapist and wrong" does not equal "I'm not going to take it seriously." Agree to disagree and move on!!

When I asked for evidence regarding "antipapist suck," I was looking for evidence in their pages on things other than Catholicism. Of course they're going to present contrary views because the Christian church is hopelessly splintered and fights itself!

LISTEN. You are in seminary, right? Antipapist=anti-Catholic. What they are saying about the Catholic Church is INCORRECT AND ANTICATHOLIC. Catholics also don't believe the church is "hopelessly splintered" but if you want to have a negative worldview like that, go for it.

When something inaccurately describes my religion, I'm not going to take it seriously. If somebody said Roe v. Wade didn't allow abortion, I wouldn't take that seriously.

Why does that site have no pages on Martin Luther or Lutherans? That seems like a fairly serious omission for a scholarly site on religion.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
LISTEN. You are in seminary, right? Antipapist=anti-Catholic. What they are saying about the Catholic Church is INCORRECT AND ANTICATHOLIC. Catholics also don't believe the church is "hopelessly splintered" but if you want to have a negative worldview like that, go for it.

When something inaccurately describes my religion, I'm not going to take it seriously. If somebody said Roe v. Wade didn't allow abortion, I wouldn't take that seriously.

Why does that site have no pages on Martin Luther or Lutherans? That seems like a fairly serious omission for a scholarly site on religion.

You don't have to agree with what is said to see the value in the research. If I saw a site that said Roe v. Wade didn't allow abortion, I'd be very interested in their research and would follow it to understand their position. Some of their research might be useful and true even if they have inappropriately understood it. This is why Christian churches can take the same information and get different answers (and sects).

I'm not asking you to agree with the apologeticsindex opinion regarding Catholicism. I'm asking you to follow their research on Word-Faith and come to your own conclusion.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
You don't have to agree with what is said to see the value in the research. If I saw a site that said Roe v. Wade didn't allow abortion, I'd be very interested in their research and would follow it to understand their position. Some of their research might be useful and true even if they have inappropriately understood it. This is why Christian churches can take the same information and get different answers (and sects).

I'm not asking you to agree with the apologeticsindex opinion regarding Catholicism. I'm asking you to follow their research on Word-Faith and come to your own conclusion.

I don't need to follow their research when I already know it's stupid. I know the sky is blue, I don't need a book to tell me that.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I don't need to follow their research when I already know it's stupid. I know the sky is blue, I don't need a book to tell me that.

No, but it might be nice to know why the sky is blue.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
No, but it might be nice to know why the sky is blue.

I already know. I don't look things up to tell me things I already know. I'm in law school, I don't have that kind of time.

I'm pretty much done with this conversation.

[AchtungBaby80]

That link is crazy! How tacky to assume that people would want to pay $100 for a ticket for your birthday party, and then buy you a designer handbag on top of it. Wow! Whatever happened to the host treating the guests?

[wrigley]

I'm surprised they didn't require a particular store for the ladies to buy the dresses from so they could get a kickback.

Are they going to have fashion police stationed at the door and issue citations to those that didn't follow the dress code?

[Peaches-n-Cream]

The God I believe in isn't short on cash, mister.

[aephi alum]

Originally posted by wrigley
I'm surprised they didn't require a particular store for the ladies to buy the dresses from so they could get a kickback.

Are they going to have fashion police stationed at the door and issue citations to those that didn't follow the dress code?

Probably. "I'm sorry, ma'am, your dress isn't quite close enough to cream or gold, so we have to ask you to leave... but please leave your gift of the Gucci handbag over on that table before you go."

It's ok to request a dress code such as black tie, but you do NOT dictate to ladies what color dress to wear.

Out of curiosity, is the good "Dr." affiliated with any Greek organization?

[Jill1228]

KR, All I gotta say is: OH Hell Naw!

That is Too Tacky For Words!

[honeychile]

Darn! And here I am, with other plans for March 12th!


At the risk of sounding catty and unladylike, I hope nobody but her family shows.

What's she going to do for her 75th birthday? Raise the dead?!


BTW, does anyone else think that she looks a little like Michael Jackson?