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01-16-2006, 01:08 PM
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George Bush said that if he lost me, he lost Middle America too. What a coincidence.
-Rudey
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Originally posted by DeltAlum
In 1967, CBS Anchorman Walter Cronkite, voted the most trusted man in America, decided that the U.S. should get out of Viet Nam for a number of reasons -- one of which was that we were there for the wrong reason(s). Obviously there were others.
Cronkite was no stranger to war, having been a (newspaper) combat correspondent during World War II with the likes of Eric Sevaride and many of the other journalistic "giants" of later years. He was recruited into the fledgling CBS Radio organization by the legendary Edward R. Morrow.
Lyndon Johnson said, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost Middle America."
Cronkite's comments are often considered to be one of the major factors in support for that conflicts flagging, and, in the end, our final withdrawl.
For whatever it's worth, Cronkite told a group of reporters last week that we should get out of Iraq now.
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01-16-2006, 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Rudey
George Bush said that if he lost me, he lost Middle America too. What a coincidence.
-Rudey
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Which one?
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01-16-2006, 01:12 PM
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The dad. The son refuses to take my calls now. Something about bringing his daughter home past curfew. Who knows with those guys?
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01-16-2006, 01:31 PM
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The dad. The son refuses to take my calls now. Something about bringing his daughter home past curfew. Who knows with those guys?
-Rudey
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01-16-2006, 01:47 PM
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Jenna.
Barb is allowed to stay out a little longer.
-Rudey
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01-17-2006, 01:23 AM
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According to Paul Bremer, they didn't see the insurgency comming.
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01-17-2006, 06:00 AM
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According to Paul Bremer, they didn't see the insurgency comming.
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If you look at the statements made by Administration officials pre-war, and during the actual invasion you can see an absolute disconnect the reality or a lack of any serious planning for a post-war Iraq.
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01-23-2006, 11:38 AM
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According to Paul Bremer, they didn't see the insurgency comming.
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Why would they? They were so myopic about WMD and Sadaam, they couldn't, or didn't, look past the big battles.
It's happened before.
That's an opinion.
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01-23-2006, 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by KillarneyRose
I wish we could leave Iraq today. Just pack up every single soldier and marine and bring them home to their friends and families. In fact, I wish that more than just about anything.
The fact is, though, that we can't leave right now because doing so would create even more instability (yup, it's possible) in a very unstable region and I think that would have terrible consequences for us and our allies down the road.
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I agree. As someone who is very involved with the adopt-a-soldier program, I've talked to many of our soldiers who are currently stationed in Iraq. All of them echo KillarneyRose's sentiments.
(Tangent: If anyone is looking for a good philanthropy project for their chapter -- alumnae or collegiate -- I strongly urge you to adopt a soldier. Those guys and girls love hearing from folks back home. Also, if anyone here is a teacher and is looking for a class project, have your kids write letters or draw pictures for the soldiers. Hearing from kids really brightens their day.)
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01-23-2006, 03:39 PM
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I agree.
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I agree with KR as well. I simply wish we hadn't gotten involved in the first place -- and said so at the time.
I think that to pull out right now would leave a power vacuum similar to what happened in Vietnam.
I just hope training Iraqi forces works better than Vietnamization did.
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01-23-2006, 04:05 PM
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I agree with KR as well. I simply wish we hadn't gotten involved in the first place -- and said so at the time.
I think that to pull out right now would leave a power vacuum similar to what happened in Vietnam.
I just hope training Iraqi forces works better than Vietnamization did.
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It was our right to topple Saddam Hussein. Everything else is rebuilding and charity and we should leave that to the Russians.
-Rudey
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01-23-2006, 06:24 PM
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It was our right to topple Saddam Hussein. Everything else is rebuilding and charity and we should leave that to the Russians.
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Great plan. Go back to your nap.
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01-23-2006, 06:25 PM
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Great plan. Go back to your nap.
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All those hippy drugs from the 60s are getting to you.
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01-23-2006, 06:36 PM
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All those hippy drugs from the 60s are getting to you.
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You may be right because this whole Iraq thing seems like a bad flashback.
In fact, the stuff going on now and then seem equally messed up to me.
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01-23-2006, 06:47 PM
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Quote:
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You may be right because this whole Iraq thing seems like a bad flashback.
In fact, the stuff going on now and then seem equally messed up to me.
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There is no arguing with you and no matter what I say it won't change anything so instead I offer you a hug.
-Rudey
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