Why, six years ago, did the CIA give the Iranians blueprints to build a bomb? - Page 2

Rudey · #16 01-11-2006, 06:51 PM

Stop posting links. Make statements and provide the backing and the source.

And I care if the US gives it or if the UK gives it, because, NEWS FLASH, they are not the same country.

And so you're agreeing that your last post on the book review was rubbish now huh? That's why you dropped it and posted a bunch of random links?

-Rudey

Quote:

Originally posted by positive14
Do a little research... this information is everywhere.

How Iraq built its weapons programs
With a little help from ?:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,73292,00.html

http://www.sfbg.com/News/32/21/Features/iraq.html

http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorbkgd/following.html

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/night..._1_020917.html

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story...678220,00.html

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/220.html

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/16/Pe...t_its_we.shtml

I don't really care if its the UK or the U.S. arming these states - its a big problem either way.

positive14 · #17 01-12-2006, 11:20 AM

O.K. ... do the research. This information is everywhere... Mainstream Conservative sources, liberal sources, alternative sources - choose your favorite brand- I dont care. There's really no legitamate debate on the issue except among those people who agree or dissagree with the policy of arming otherwise non-threatning states. Some justify the policy by saying the enemy of our enemy is our friend. (remember what hapened with Al Qaeda).

But sadly, it seems that we have merely armed these organizatins and states to the extent that has turned them into enough of a power to allow them to threaten us.

Thus, Bill Hicks' joke... of course we knew they had weapons... we checked the receipt. -

With the Guardian Unlimited story included:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...html?gusrc=rss

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,73292,00.html

http://www.sfbg.com/News/32/21/Features/iraq.html

http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorbkgd/following.html

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nigh...y_1_020917.html

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/stor...1678220,00.html

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/220.html

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/16/P...lt_its_we.shtml

Rudey · #18 01-12-2006, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by positive14
I love posting rubbish

Stop posting links. Make statements and provide the backing and the source.

And I care if the US gives it or if the UK gives it, because, NEWS FLASH, they are not the same country.

And so you're agreeing that your last post on the book review was rubbish now huh? That's why you dropped it and posted a bunch of random links?

-Rudey

positive14 · #19 01-12-2006, 11:39 AM

Do you have a problem with what I am saying... Or is it with the various mainstream news reports that agree exactly with what I am saying?

Im curious.

Please check previous posts to see where I have made my assertion on the topic and then cited that assertion with various links. - and of course there's an endless amount of other information on the topic in many other places, if you care to do the research.

Rudey · #20 01-12-2006, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by positive14
Do you have a problem with what I am saying... Or is it with the various mainstream news reports that agree exactly with what I am saying?

Im curious.

Please check previous posts to see where I have made my assertion on the topic and then cited that assertion with various links. - and of course there's an endless amount of other information on the topic in many other places, if you care to do the research.

You claimed the CIA gave it and provided a link to a book review with a dubious story of the CIA trying to break apart Iran's nuclear program. You also said America gave it and provided a link to Britain.

Since then you keep posting links and nothing more.

You have some strange agenda and obviously can't even think through the things you post.

-Rudey
--Stop posting this rubbish

positive14 · #21 01-12-2006, 12:09 PM

OK... if the CIA did allow weapons to be sent to Iran (an assertion that came from a credible source in the L.G. article), this would merely be consistant with what has hapened all to frequently throughout modern history. Namely, the US and other countries giving states the capabilty they need to be threatning to the developed world.

Sure... This recent CIA alligation is just that... an alligation - one that would be consistent with our an all too familiar recent history. (I ask again... do you remember the origins of Al Qaeda - hint: when they were fighting the Soviets).

There's really no legitamate debate on the issue except among those people who agree or dissagree with the policy of arming otherwise non-threatning states. Some justify the policy by saying the enemy of our enemy is our friend. (hint: like Al Qaeda)

Do you have a problem with what I am saying... Or is it with the various mainstream news reports that agree exactly with what I am saying?

*Im still curious.......

Again...
Please check previous posts to see where I have made my assertion on the topic and then cited that assertion with various links. - and of course there's an endless amount of other information on the topic in many other places, if you care to do the research.

Rudey · #22 01-12-2006, 12:36 PM

Again, it's a book review.
Again, the author of the book isn't completely clean.
Again, the "story" can't be verified.
Again, the "story" says the CIA sent a fake bomb to get them to screw up and find out what they know.
Again, the "story" say a Russian Scientist told them the bomb was fake.
Again, the other link had to do with Britain and not us.

So really, do you have a problem with truth, facts, and logic or is it just a need for smear campaigns that drive you?

-Rudey

Quote:

Originally posted by positive14
OK... if the CIA did allow weapons to be sent to Iran (an assertion that came from a credible source in the L.G. article), this would merely be consistant with what has hapened all to frequently throughout modern history. Namely, the US and other countries giving states the capabilty they need to be threatning to the developed world.

Sure... This recent CIA alligation is just that... an alligation - one that would be consistent with our an all too familiar recent history. (I ask again... do you remember the origins of Al Qaeda - hint: when they were fighting the Soviets).

There's really no legitamate debate on the issue except among those people who agree or dissagree with the policy of arming otherwise non-threatning states. Some justify the policy by saying the enemy of our enemy is our friend. (hint: like Al Qaeda)

Do you have a problem with what I am saying... Or is it with the various mainstream news reports that agree exactly with what I am saying?

*Im still curious.......

Again...
Please check previous posts to see where I have made my assertion on the topic and then cited that assertion with various links. - and of course there's an endless amount of other information on the topic in many other places, if you care to do the research.

Senlable · #23 01-12-2006, 12:42 PM

yeah right... now I understand. lol.

Rudey · #24 01-12-2006, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Senlable
This book whether true or not - illustates a problem that has hapened all to often throughout our recent history. Apparently ... you are missing this point and disregarding all the other information i am providning just because one of the credible sources may or may not be true.

Please answer the questions I have asked you... not the ones you are making up for yourself.

What questions spaz????

It's not just about the verifiable nature of it.

THEY GAVE THEM A FAULTY BOMB TO STOP THEIR RESEARCH AND TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY KNOW SO FAR.

ASIDE FROM THAT YOUR OTHER LINK SAYS BRITAIN GAVE THEM NUKE MATERIALS, NOT THE US

What are you not getting??????? I put it in Caps and bold just for you.

-Rudey

Senlable · #25 01-12-2006, 12:46 PM

ridiculous

positive14 · #26 01-12-2006, 12:49 PM

Here are my questions: - apearantly you are not reading what I am posting.

(I ask again... do you remember the origins of Al Qaeda - hint: when they were fighting the Soviets).

There's really no legitamate debate on the issue except among those people who agree or dissagree with the policy of arming otherwise non-threatning states. Some justify the policy by saying the enemy of our enemy is our friend. (hint: like Al Qaeda)

*Also...

Do you have a problem with what I am saying... Or is it with the various mainstream news reports that agree exactly with what I am saying?

*Im still curious.......

Again...
Please check previous posts to see where I have made my assertion on the topic and then cited that assertion with various links. - and of course there's an endless amount of other information on the topic in many other places, if you care to do the research.

positive14 · #27 01-12-2006, 12:55 PM

Here's the evidence... or just find your own sources - I don't care.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story....html?gusrc=rss

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,73292,00.html

http://www.sfbg.com/News/32/21/Features/iraq.html

http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorbkgd/following.html

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nigh...y_1_020917.html

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/stor...1678220,00.html

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/220.html

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/16/P...lt_its_we.shtml

Rudey · #28 01-12-2006, 12:58 PM

There is only one question in here so I have no idea why you used the word "Also". You have either no grasp of the English language or are a NUT JOB.

The only question is if I have a problem with you or the news sources. I would have no problem if you made an argument with claims and evidence.

You made no argument.
Your claims made no sense (ie Britain gave Iran nuke equipment so the CIA did).

What are you not understanding?

Are you married to senlable?

-Rudey

Quote:

Originally posted by positive14
Here are my questions: - apearantly you are not reading what I am posting.

(I ask again... do you remember the origins of Al Qaeda - hint: when they were fighting the Soviets).

There's really no legitamate debate on the issue except among those people who agree or dissagree with the policy of arming otherwise non-threatning states. Some justify the policy by saying the enemy of our enemy is our friend. (hint: like Al Qaeda)

*Also...

Do you have a problem with what I am saying... Or is it with the various mainstream news reports that agree exactly with what I am saying?

*Im still curious.......

Again...
Please check previous posts to see where I have made my assertion on the topic and then cited that assertion with various links. - and of course there's an endless amount of other information on the topic in many other places, if you care to do the research.

Rudey · #29 01-12-2006, 12:59 PM

Make an argument and show the evidence with a clear link.

I am not going to go through 45 random links you found for the heck of proving you to have cerebral palsey.

-Rudey

Quote:

Originally posted by positive14
Here's the evidence... or just find your own sources - I don't care.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story....html?gusrc=rss

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,73292,00.html

http://www.sfbg.com/News/32/21/Features/iraq.html

http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorbkgd/following.html

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nigh...y_1_020917.html

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/stor...1678220,00.html

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/220.html

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/16/P...lt_its_we.shtml

positive14 · #30 01-12-2006, 01:05 PM

its really simple to understand...

Here's my claim:

The US and the UK continually arm the states and organizations that we eventually deem to be our enemies.

Here's the evidence:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,73292,00.html

http://www.sfbg.com/News/32/21/Features/iraq.html

http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorbkgd/following.html

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nigh...y_1_020917.html

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/stor...1678220,00.html

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/220.html

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/16/P...lt_its_we.shtml

I left out the London Gaurdian Story because you don't like the alligation involved (however credible),

*IMPORTANT*
Having said that.... that article in NO WAY changes the validity of my claim OR... the validity of the other sources I use... or the thousands of others that are available if you took the time to find them.