If You Didn't Vote For Dubya, Would You Vote For McCain?

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by hoosier
Similarly, his anti-torture law newly passed (perhaps it sould be called the "Terrorists Bill of Rights") will probably have the opposite effect.

As a former POW, he probably knows more about torture than any of the rest of us will ever dream about -- or want to know. Perhaps that is why he is outspoken. Do you think?

You blame the media for everything else -- might as well include McCain. Take the easy way out.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by AGDee
We'll just have to see who the candidates are and who seems like they would do the best job when we know a bit more. I do believe that they have been speculating on who would run next time MUCH earlier than ever before. Is that an indication that people are ready for a change? We've got another 3 years ...

ETA: A large number of Democrats voted for Reagan and he was conservative too. Perhaps conservative isn't what scares people... the Christian right is? And we now are defining conservative as the extreme Christian right, not the "less government" stance. I feel like Dubya has imposed more government which infringes on personal rights that should be nobody else's business. Those of us in Michigan also have a different perspective than the rest of the country because our unemployment numbers continue to rise as the auto industry struggles. The announcement of a loss of 3000 GM employees in Michigan was figured to equal 30,000 jobs total .. from suppliers, retail, etc that are all dependent on those auto workers making cars.

Well on the Dems and Christian right. At the time, the Christians were a part of the Democrats. Reagan was the first to pull them in. Even now, those Christians support issues from the left (environment, peace, welfare states, etc.).

People are defining the right as religious because the media has played up that image while technological advances have brought certain issues into the spotlight.

-Rudey

[CarolinaCutie]

Yes, as a Democrat and someone who voted for Kerry, I would at least consider voting for John McCain, particularly if his opponent was Hillary.

[KillarneyRose]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
As a former POW, he probably knows more about torture than any of the rest of us will ever dream about -- or want to know. Perhaps that is why he is outspoken. Do you think?

Abso-freaking-lutely.

I'd vote for McCain over just about anyone. Well, with the possible exception of Rudey, but I am not sure if he is US born.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by KillarneyRose
Abso-freaking-lutely.

I'd vote for McCain over just about anyone. Well, with the possible exception of Rudey, but I am not sure if he is US born.

I'm not, but Arnold and I are working to change that clause.

-Rudey
--Rudey in 2012

[KillarneyRose]

Originally posted by Rudey
I'm not, but Arnold and I are working to change that clause.

-Rudey
--Rudey in 2012

There ya go!

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by Rudey
I'm not, but Arnold and I are working to change that clause.

-Rudey
--Rudey in 2012

ARNOLD/RUDEY 2012!!!

I am so there.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by hoosier
Who's for McCain?

That's the wrong question. The real question is, 'how much money can he raise?" Bush did not get the 2000 nomination because of backing from conservatives. In fact, Bush was loosing the early primaries until South Carolina. What happened in S.C.? $$$ got the S.C. Republican machine to throw that state behind Bush. Bush raised more money faster than anyone before. That money was not from conservatives. It was from his Dad's rolodex.

[sugar and spice]

I think it's clear to most people that McCain is far from being liberal. What I think it comes down to is that he has the kind of personality that appeals to a lot of people across the political spectrum. I have faith in him as a leader even if I don't necessarily agree with his policies, which is something I can't say about Bush (or many Democratic politicians).



I tend to vote on policy, not personality, so I probably wouldn't vote for McCain unless the Democratic candidate really disappointed me. That said, I would be much happier with a conservative like McCain in office than one like Bush.

[GeekyPenguin]

Edited because I mistakenly quoted DeltAlum, who does not speak of things which he does not know. Whoops.

Originally posted by hoosier
McCain' campaign finance reform - passed with his name on it (McCain-Feingold act I think) did just the opposite of what he promised - both the GOP and Dems raised and spent unlimited amounts of money from George Soros and his GOP counterparts.

Similarly, his anti-torture law newly passed (perhaps it sould be called the "Terrorists Bill of Rights") will probably have the opposite effect.

And you were a POW when? Oh, right, never, just like you never went to Marquette.

[Lindz928]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
And you were a POW when? Oh, right, never, just like you never went to Marquette.

I think he meant McCain, as a former POW.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Lindz928
I think he meant McCain, as a former POW.

Yes, he did.

McCain = POW, served the country.

hoosier = whiny liar who has not = should not criticize McCain

[hoosier]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
That's the wrong question. The real question is, 'how much money can he raise?" Bush did not get the 2000 nomination because of backing from conservatives. In fact, Bush was loosing the early primaries until South Carolina. What happened in S.C.? $$$ got the S.C. Republican machine to throw that state behind Bush. Bush raised more money faster than anyone before. That money was not from conservatives. It was from his Dad's rolodex.

That McCain's problem with having the media as his only constituency - they can give him coverage and love, but they aren't likely to give him cash.

Another opportunity for McCain:

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A shocking report from the Associated Press:

Barbie, beware. The iconic plastic doll is often mutilated at the hands of young girls, according to research published Monday by British academics. "The girls we spoke to see Barbie torture as a legitimate play activity, and see the torture as a 'cool' activity," said Agnes Nairn, one of the University of Bath researchers. "The types of mutilation are varied and creative, and range from removing the hair to decapitation, burning, breaking and even microwaving."

We're sure John McCain is hard at work finding a legislative solution to this outrage. We need to send "a message to the world that the United States is not like the terrorists," that we are "a nation that upholds values and standards of behavior and treatment." If Barbie isn't saved, the terrorists will have won!

- OJ
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[hoosier]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Yes, he did.

McCain = POW, served the country.

hoosier = whiny liar who has not = should not criticize McCain

Let's debate, not call names and violate TOS

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
McCain = POW, served the country.

Wait, this makes McCain beyond questioning with regard to his political career?

That's pretty much insane, Kath.