Pan-Hellenic

[GtownGirl98]

Yes thank you.

So if a GLO is looking to join either NPC or NPHC and they use the term pan-hellenic... one would assume that they are looking to join NPHC... correct?

How would one go about joining NPHC? Is there more than just the D-9 in NPHC (I need to do my homework)? Is NPHC open to expanding to the D-10?

[kddani]

Originally posted by GtownGirl98
Yes thank you.

So if a GLO is looking to join either NPC or NPHC and they use the term pan-hellenic... one would assume that they are looking to join NPHC... correct?

How would one go about joining NPHC? Is there more than just the D-9 in NPHC (I need to do my homework)? Is NPHC open to expanding to the D-10?

Definitely need to do your homework There are a lot of good threads discussing some of this stuff that can give you a lot of info. I'm sorry that I can't point you to them more specifically. Perhaps one of the NPHCers can remember a few in particular that may be helpful to you.

[Ch2tf]

Originally posted by kddani
As has been addressed in the past, this is not a way in which we refer to ourselves and not a way in which any groups accepts being called. It is offensive and disrespectful to continue to refer to a group in a manner in which it's members have repeatedly said is not okay. I would extend anyone else the same courtesy.

The original poster may be upset, but it's in this thread so I am going to ask it here.....

So how do these (and I recognize that each group is different so if you are only comfortable speaking about your own org, please do so) groups refer to themselves? And if I remember correctly (and it's possible that I can't) I did run across a thread months ago where some members of orgs that may have been addressed in this thread as HWGLO did not seem to have qualms with the usage.

I feel you on being upset with what you feel is improper designation of your org(s), and even if someone is not new to greek chat, does not always mean that they have read every single last thread of the thousands that are out there, and it is a little impractical to search for threads everytime you consider typing A word in a post (just a thought).

[kddani]

Originally posted by Ch2tf
The original poster may be upset, but it's in this thread so I am going to ask it here.....

So how do these (and I recognize that each group is different so if you are only comfortable speaking about your own org, please do so) groups refer to themselves? And if I remember correctly (and it's possible that I can't) I did run across a thread months ago where some members of orgs that may have been addressed in this thread as HWGLO did not seem to have qualms with the usage.

I feel you on being upset with what you feel is improper designation of your org(s), and even if someone is not new to greek chat, does not always mean that they have read every single last thread of the thousands that are out there, and it is a little impractical to search for threads everytime you consider typing A word in a post (just a thought).

NPC sororities. I don't see what is so difficult about that??? It's how we refer to ourselves as a group. I don't see the need for something else.

And I could understand new people to the board not knowing, but there were no new people involved in this conversation. The poster using the terminology in question has been around a long time and WAS A PART of at least some of those discussions.

Tom's the one who tried to frame it so that I was going after a newbie, but indeed, I was not.

ETA: I do not recall any thread where people were okay with their groups being called WGLOs or HWGLOs. Nearly all of us are vehemently against it.

[SydneyK]

Ch2tf,

You make an excellent point. There are so many threads, with numberous posts within each thread. It is impossible for anyone with a life to read every post in every thread. And, the search function isn't always convenient.

It's a shame that, because of the overly critical nature of one of the mods, people are reluctant to post. What's the point of having a message board if everyone who posts is going to get reamed for sharing their opinion or asking a legitimate question?

[33girl]

Originally posted by SydneyK
Ch2tf,

You make an excellent point. There are so many threads, with numberous posts within each thread. It is impossible for anyone with a life to read every post in every thread. And, the search function isn't always convenient.

It's a shame that, because of the overly critical nature of one of the mods, people are reluctant to post. What's the point of having a message board if everyone who posts is going to get reamed for sharing their opinion or asking a legitimate question?

[gpb1874]

those who are in NPC sororities just refer to themselves as that.

Q: Are you in a sorority?
A. Yes, I'm in Gamma Phi Beta International Sorority, Inc. We are a member of the NPC.

Not that i say it that way, but that's how we are classified. If someone wants to know more about what we are about, i tell them.

i can only speak for myself, but i have never felt the need to classify it as anything else. I don't think there is anything wrong with groups who have a cultural tie in thier name because it is an important part of who they are. it's just not a part of who we are.

and i'm going to steer clear of the posting that we said NPC's were founded for whites. that's a pet peeve of mine and i don't want to get into it right now.

[preciousjeni]

It is not a prescriptive title - meaning it is not limiting. It is a descriptive title - one that naturally flows based on teachings of my older generation.

I'll not use it again here. Please tell me how to describe NPC sororities in the future as I was attempting to present a simple definition to go along with "National Panhellenic Conference."

National Pan-Hellenic Council = HBGLOs (descriptive, not prescriptive)

National Panhellenic Conference = (needs a descriptive title to distinguish since that was kinda the point of the thread)

[OPhiARen3]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
It is not a prescriptive title - meaning it is not limiting. It is a descriptive title - one that naturally flows based on teachings of my older generation.

I'll not use it again here. Please tell me how to describe NPC sororities in the future as I was attempting to present a simple definition to go along with "National Panhellenic Conference."

National Pan-Hellenic Council = HBGLOs (descriptive, not prescriptive)

National Panhellenic Conference = (needs a descriptive title to distinguish since that was kinda the point of the thread)

I know this is kind of side-tracking, but my understanding is that there are also some kinds of HBGLOs which are not NPHC-affiliated - do they affiliate with any sort of council?

And does anyone have a link to a thread where I can best find out why HWGLO is offensive for NPC sororities? I'm having a hard time sorting through the search results, and I'm curious - the term seems accurate enough to me (?).

[SydneyK]

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[Ch2tf]

Originally posted by kddani
NPC sororities. I don't see what is so difficult about that??? It's how we refer to ourselves as a group. I don't see the need for something else.
ETA: I do not recall any thread where people were okay with their groups being called WGLOs or HWGLOs. Nearly all of us are vehemently against it.

Gotcha, and if it ever comes up in a conversation I am having, online or otherwise, I will be sure to use NPC sororities, since according to you that is what the majority of said members prefer.

I do have another question however, and I am not being a devil's advocate either, but how do you describe NPC sororities to someone that is unfamiliar with the greek system? For example, before I entered college SEVERAL years ago, I was vaguely familiar with the existence of greek organizations. I have a few cousins who were in "black" (and I use this term because that is how I thought of it at the time) sororities and I had heard of/seen members of "white" (again I use this term because that is how I thought of it at that time) sororities. I DO know that organizations in the various councils NPHC/NPC/IFC etc. have members of all racial/ethnic backgrounds and do not limit membership based on race/ethnicity. But it seems it goes without saying that the NPHC orgs are HISTORICALLY Black Greek Letter Organizations (and if I am wrong and NPHC orgs feel the usage is inappropriate or outdated, I hope someone reads this message and speaks to it)...in the words of PJ descriptive not prescriptive.

To make a long story short, what is a descriptive word/phrase/acronym, besides NPC because that really isn't saying anything besides what conference the organizations belong to, that is appropriate to use to describe NPC orgs, IF ANY?

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Ch2tf
But it seems it goes without saying that the NPHC orgs are HISTORICALLY Black Greek Letter Organizations (and if I am wrong and NPHC orgs feel the usage is inappropriate or outdated, I hope someone reads this message and speaks to it)...in the words of PJ descriptive not prescriptive.

While my sorority is inclusive and accepting of all races and ethnicities, I personally embrace the title of Historically Black...Maybe its a throwback to the reasons behind the founding of my organization.

[kddani]

I'm not necessarily sure why there needs to be more "description" or something that'll fit nicely into an acronym.

For HBGLO's - the "black" part of that is more intricately tied to the purpose of the groups and what they do- since those groups do a lot to help the African American community.

Being "white" really has nothing to do with being an NPC group, do you understand what i'm saying? We don't serve the "white" community. We have never specifically done anything to further "white" causes. NPC groups have been integrated for along time, and being "white" has never been part of our cause.

Perhaps someone can put things into better words... my writing is a little off today.

(and apologies to the OP for the hijack again, but it happens. If it's truly bothersome, then just ask a Greek Life mod to split it).

[33girl]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
While my sorority is inclusive and accepting of all races and ethnicities, I personally embrace the title of Historically Black...Maybe its a throwback to the reasons behind the founding of my organization.

Yes. In your case when people use "historically black" it's something to be proud of. When something is called "historically white" it's quite the opposite - it implies discrimination occurred.

[Ch2tf]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
While my sorority is inclusive and accepting of all races and ethnicities, I personally embrace the title of Historically Black...Maybe its a throwback to the reasons behind the founding of my organization.

That's what my thinking on the matter was...that HBGLO refers to the facts of the founding of said organizations.

Thanks!