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11-21-2005, 11:26 AM
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That's my hometown!
I have to say that I fully support what this mother is doing. Some may criticize, but here's something -- at least she's being a parent!
Too often, a parent with a hellion child will dismiss bad behavior and bad grades trying to assign blame to everyone except for their darling child. This works everywhere, and in every respect except for to teach the kid what the real world is like.
If this lesson gets through to this little girl, she may very well turn her life around. She's young and can afford to make mistakes. In a few years, however, when she's done with highschool, her life decisions will have very real consequences that mommy can no longer shield her from.
To the mother -- well done.
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11-21-2005, 12:10 PM
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I saw that!
I was totally confused when I saw it though.
I have to say there is a huge problem locally with entitlement parenting. Parents think their kids should be able to do whatever they want, even in school. My parents are teachers, mother is a special ed. teacher, and not a day goes by where they aren't blamed by the parent for trying to get a kid to behave.
Kudos to the mother for putting her foot down.
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11-21-2005, 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by ktsnake
That's my hometown!
I have to say that I fully support what this mother is doing. Some may criticize, but here's something -- at least she's being a parent!
Too often, a parent with a hellion child will dismiss bad behavior and bad grades trying to assign blame to everyone except for their darling child. This works everywhere, and in every respect except for to teach the kid what the real world is like.
If this lesson gets through to this little girl, she may very well turn her life around. She's young and can afford to make mistakes. In a few years, however, when she's done with highschool, her life decisions will have very real consequences that mommy can no longer shield her from.
To the mother -- well done.
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Co-sign. I'm in complete support of the mother.
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11-21-2005, 02:05 PM
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100% in support of the mother. Public humiliation has LONG been a means of punishment outside of this country (and within the US in earlier years).
When I read this, I automatically thought of a situation when I was a little girl. I stole a pack of Lifesavers (don't ask - I was like seven) and then I had to go back to the store, go up to the manager, and tell him what I had done. I was mortified...absolutely mortified. And you best believe I NEVER stole anything else and will never steal anything for the rest of my life.
We are FAR too easy on our children these days.
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11-21-2005, 04:59 PM
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if we could get more parents in this country to step up and take some action instead of just trying to blame their kids actions on other people then the country would be in a lot better shape
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11-21-2005, 07:38 PM
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Typical @ 1000?
Pre-Katrina our enrollment was 1800+, now we are down to a comfortable size of 1300.
It's not that cut and dry. No, you would find yourself in court...
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Beat me to the punch. Theres about 800 kids in my K-8 elementary school. I think about 2500 in the high school. I'm in total support of the mother.
Ditto to what ktsnake said. Too often it is a case of "Not my child." It is always my fault the child is failing, my fault the child didn't complete the homework, and my fault the child is acting out (and yes, I was actually told that on the phone today). The children are not held responsible for any of their actions. I think they need the wake up call, which is why I'm a big fan of those prisoners that come in and scare the hell outta the kids.
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11-22-2005, 01:32 AM
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I think they need the wake up call, which is why I'm a big fan of those prisoners that come in and scare the hell outta the kids.
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they dont really do enough to scare them though...I remember having to sit through those things and most students that are stuck listening to them fall into one of two categories: either they dont care and arent paying any attention at all...or they find every thing funny and dont take it seriously...not to mention that these are the "good behavior" people that come around to schools, most of whom are actually trying to make something out of their lives once they get out...not exactly showing the type of person that the majority of prisoners are.
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11-22-2005, 01:00 PM
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When I read the news story, I was curious about how it was possible that the mother couldn't force her daughter to do schoolwork, but she could force her to stand outside with a humiliating sign. Seemed a little odd....
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12-03-2005, 12:22 AM
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Good point, and we really don't know what all else is going on here. Public humiliation may work, or it may not if she is already humiliated for other more personal reasons. Ultimately, the girl will do better or worse, depending upon ALL of her experiences. I don’t know why people were so upset about her having to hold up a sign, though.
As for the blame game, I agree that parents shouldn't just up and blame teachers for the behavior of their children. Instead, they should take responsibility and find out what ALL is going on that they don't know about. Children don't just act out without reason. It very well may be something that they are doing, or not doing, and they are just too blind (or "too busy") to change their own behavior.
And about the prisoners, many of the most troubled children already have relatives and friends locked up. For them, their neighborhoods are as dangerous as prison itself. They are surrounded by criminals daily, so what is any communication with another one going to do... unless that prisoner has actually turned his life around? What is threatening them with jail going to do, when they full expect to end up there anyway? Or, they simply expect to end up dead before their 24th birthday? I am not a fan of those programs, because I view them as an attempt at a quick fix to a much more complicated problem.
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12-04-2005, 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by kstar
I have to say there is a huge problem locally with entitlement parenting. Parents think their kids should be able to do whatever they want, even in school. My parents are teachers, mother is a special ed. teacher, and not a day goes by where they aren't blamed by the parent for trying to get a kid to behave.
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I say Amen to that!! I am a teacher and I get into the same predictment too. We have a discipline program at school that each and every child and parent signs off on at the beginning of the year, and I have a discipline program specifically for my class that each and every student and parent are made aware of at the beginning of the year too. My discipline program is positive (gives things to them), but also negative (takes things away). If a child is not responding to my discipline program there is only so much I can do, so I make the parent aware of this and explain to them that maybe they should have a program at home too. When that happens I would say about a handful of parents deny the situation and basically tell me its all my fault.
I think that what this mother did was her last resort (from reading the article). I know that if this happened to me when I was younger I would definately responded in a positive way out of embaressment, but that does not mean I would take it with me the rest of my life, like some of the psycologists were saying in the article.
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When I read this, I automatically thought of a situation when I was a little girl. I stole a pack of Lifesavers (don't ask - I was like seven) and then I had to go back to the store, go up to the manager, and tell him what I had done. I was mortified...absolutely mortified. And you best believe I NEVER stole anything else and will never steal anything for the rest of my life.
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This same exact thing happend to my brother and I when I was younger. We stole something from one of those candy bins and my mom caught us and made us return the candy. My brother and I never stole anything again!!
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12-05-2005, 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by _Q_
When I read the news story, I was curious about how it was possible that the mother couldn't force her daughter to do schoolwork, but she could force her to stand outside with a humiliating sign. Seemed a little odd....
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