Colorado cojones en cajones--

[LXAAlum]

CU and CSU are becoming more anti-greek each semester, but it's not hard to believe why, with the tragic incidents of last year tarnishing their reputation, but, in my opinion, they are going overboard, especially at CSU. But I also think the CSU developments are not so much related to risk management as such, but that is the smokescreen.

CSU changes I think are not just risk management, but financially motivated - is it just a coincidence that all but one of the chapters at CSU that got in trouble this year are all located in the same neighborhood (CSU greeks are spread over about four clusters around campus) - and in that same neighborhood, chapters closed last year or in years past have been razed and replaced with condos and townhomes?

[LXAAlum]

It is nice to see a new GLO at CSU - it's been a while - the old FIJI house was rented by Beta until they were closed in the mid 1990's - now it's a halfway house (this is the second chapter house just off the CSU campus to become a halfway house - the other is across the street from Theta.

FIJI seems to have had a harder time than most in Colorado - more so than any other GLO - Kappa Sigma also. I had been to a few FIJI Islander's at CSU back in the 80's - good times.

Hopefully LXA will return to CSU as well in the near future - we'll have to wait and see. The old LXA house was rented to Sigma Pi last year, where Samantha Spady died - now it's a Christian fellowship house. I'm very familiar with that house, as I was chapter advisor for a time - very tragic.

[Tom Earp]

Is this out of Line to wonder if some Schools do not desearve Greeks and the Alums say See Ya?

[LXAAlum]

Tom,

Not a bad idea - a Greek mutiny at a campus. Doubtful that'd happen at CSU, but I could see it happening perhaps at CU. Different campus cultures at each. I think there is a higher percentage of students that are Greek at CSU versus CU.

Wouldn't work at UNC or CSM - greek systems are too small - if they went, most people wouldn't miss 'em (present company excepted, of course!).

[Tom Earp]

Granted that!

From What I know about where You are at it may be the exception with a lot of Hard damn work!

You Know How I feel, either realign the Adm or close the damn Schools.

I am Not a Radical, but they have No Clue and Need an Update!

[Erik P Conard]

somehow lost message...TKE had interest groups at Regis and at
Ft Lewis--school killed both. TKE had chapter at Mesa, lived for
a coupla years, school supported heartily. Drug sales killed. The
Sig Eps had a colony, it died. Tri Sigma colony died and Chi Omega thrived but their HQ killed it. Lambda Chi had a disaster at Adams state, lived a semester. TKE, Sigma Pi and Theta Chi were all at Western, off and on. Theta Chi built a house. Chapters were off and on, size wise, TKE up to 70 men once. The
isolated school just did not click but lasted twenty years. It might
be a revival candidate but need spark plug.
U of S Colorado or whatever the name is...TKE pioneered, Kappa
Sig and Lambda Chi joined, but were not much more than a party
group with no clue and no real supervision. TKE folded, had an
interest group, folded, some kind of dean is a TKE. Nothing is now
doing there, wait and see, perhaps, but need spark plug here.
Metro State, am told, had Delta Sigma Phi briefly. Poor place to
have greeks. Tri Sigma has chartered, maybe we'll see.
Johnson & Wales...a joke, no further comment.
U CO-Colo Springs, Pi Beta Phi has colonized, beautiful area, but
it, too, remains to be seen.
Colorado College...Beta gone, will perhaps return, let them back
and dead Pikes, but hardly exciting. Pass.
Colorado Mines...several dead, should be allowed to return. But
campus is only so-so. Belching beer drinkers with good grades.
The various Colorado mountain schools, not worth discussing.
Shopping center schools...actually am surprised some small eastern outfits have not entered!....cheap shot, sorry.
Did I miss any? Have been active with surveys for nearly 50 years
and think TKE has best handle of all on that. TKE has take a very
conservative stance, extension-wise (finally) but very receptive to
revivals....(good). Concentration on revivals best move presently
I have tossed around the notion of 2 or 3 GLOS colonizing at the
same time, thus avoiding suicidal single chapter schools, TKE has
had several, no one else came on, chapter finally died. Schools
like S. Oregon, Sul Ross, gosh..several, later entries came too late
Would welcome skull session about this topic. No reason why we
could not be helpful, more than civil, with each other, as we have
enough bad-relation-wise with the outsiders and wimpy college
administrators than to fight among ourselves. NIC--another joke.

[LXAAlum]

Erik...LOL regarding LXA at Adams State, yeah, that was I think the record for shortest lived chapter for the fraternity. What's surprising are the number of UNC chapter members from Alamosa...

LXA at CSU-Pueblo has really turned things around - got into bad shape membership wise a year or so ago, but have rebounded nicely thanks to alumni intervention.

LXA at CC would be nice - original chapter there closed due to WWII, and no one ever tried to restart! There are still a few living alumni from then as well.

LXA at DU has always done well - good alumni oversight (Drew Hunter, founder of Bacchus and GAMMA is the advisor).

LXA at CU was struggling a bit, but seems to be getting on even keel, though I don't know what the new CU policies may do for their future survival.

LXA at UNC is still going strong (yippee!). They have yet to run into a post-chartering slump, to their credit.

LXA at CSU - possible recolonization on the horizon, just have to wait and see if campus climate is receptive given all the recent problems. Apparently FIJI is back, which surprises me than any GLO would try at this time, but more power to them to be successful!

LXA at CSM - interest group organized about four years ago then folded. Not sure if anything else will be attempted in near future. Was never an official colony.

Doubtful that LXA would try anything anywhere else with possible exceptions of UCCS (I went there my freshman year...before they had dorms or half the current buildings there) and Metro, if Metro gets more serious about having a greek presence.

I like your idea of a 3 to 4 GLO colonization effort happening simultaneously for schools such as Metro or UCCS - that may have a very positive effect, but, the national GLO's HQ's would have to sign off and coordinate the effort more than likely, which is the only real hurdle I can see (getting schedules straight with different orgs travelling folks would be the major sticking point over anything else).

[Tom Earp]

Maybe it is time for a High Powered Summit between Greek Nationals, School Adms., and Board of Regents. Maybe throw in some High Powered Greek Alums.

There has to be a strawbreaker here somewhere?

Or maybe some decision of sanity and programing that could come out of it!

Right now for the most part, Co. Greek Systems suck in a hodgepodge of nothingness!

[LXAAlum]

Good idea Tom...

Just throwing this out for grist for the mill, but, would we be safe to assume the large majority of incidents are occuring at chapters that have minimal to no true alumni involvement?

By alumni involvement, that does not mean attending a meeting once or month or semester, but actively involved in overseeing day-to-day operations of the chapter.

[Tom Earp]

I think Both You and Erik would agree that it would take a tremendous amount of oversight by Alums and working with The Adms. if something were ever to happen of this nature.

Blitzing a School is an intriguing idea for sure. Dont know if It has ever been done before or will ever be done as coordination among GLOs could be a problem.

I just wonder how many GLOs are all clustered around the area where LXA is.

It was dark when I was there so not sure. LXA and TKE I am aware of. Walking distance!

When Schools are called suitcase schools, I can relate to the two that I attended, but one is doing well while the other is somewhat stagnet for Greeks. I am sure Erik knows which ones I am talking about.

But isnt it true that students leave Campus for a lack of things to do? Greeks are The Alternative!

[LXAAlum]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
I just wonder how many GLOs are all clustered around the area where LXA is.

It was dark when I was there so not sure. LXA and TKE I am aware of. Walking distance!

If you're talking about CSU, then the chapters close to LXA are/were Sigma Chi (old ATO house: condemned, but still a chapter), Sigma Nu (house razed and is now townhomes), ZTA (only one NOT in trouble), AXO (closed), PiKappaPhi (closed), ChiO (suspended), Tridelt (suspended), AGR (unsure), GPhi (suspended), KKG (suspended). Also in this neighborhood are lots of development proposals for condos/townhomes.

Other clusters at CSU - Theta, KD, SAE (none in trouble)

FH, Pi Phi (none in trouble)

SigEp (suspended) PhiTau, and one other (none in trouble)

Triangle, PhiDelt (none in trouble)

See why I think something is going on at CSU?

If you are referring to UNC - LXA is by itself - DTD used to be down the street, but moved to the other side of campus into the old AXiD/AOPi house. TKE's gone, SX renting the house. There's too much moving of chapter houses at UNC to try and keep straight anymore. Four of the six old LXA houses they used to rent have been demolished (two were courtesy of LXA Animal House legacy (when I was in the Navy - missed out on the really wild times)).

[Tom Earp]

Sorry, should have been more precise.

HQs in Indy @ Founders Road.

I understand what you are saying, but sometimes from what I have read, Clusters of Houses on Campi can get each in trouble.

The Pitt is unique in a way.

While there is a main street in The Pitt. Ks, and many are along it: PKA, SX, ASA, LXA, SPE, PSK, and AGD, with SSS and STG away from us.

It seems to work well as there is residentinual housing between all except the PKA and SX House and many problems there.

But then on the flip side at William-Jewell, KsUn. KsU, Un Mo. Un. Ark. Un Tn., are grouped together as some of the Greek Courts that are being built today.

[AOII*Azra-elle]

Originally posted by LXAAlum
Theta Xi and KA closed like Delta Upsilon because they couldn't recruit anyone to join. One of my best friends and coworkers (actually two coworkers) are DU alums.

KA, KSig, and LXA all established colonies at the same time - KSig is still a colony, or at least trying to 'act' like one - though the members I have seen on campus and working around town absolutely do NOT fit Greek stereotypes - they started from some members of the campus Green party members - so they are not "mainstream" students in any sense, though they are still hanging in there.

LXA is booming right now at UNC - biggest AM class since recolonization - so it can be done here.

I did not know about AKL, though I did notice the letters disappear off the house this summer, but then again, that happens a lot at UNC - houses move a lot - DTD moved again over the summer as did Sigma Chi into the old AZD house (and the other sorority that was there renting appears to have closed ).

UNC is a hard campus to succeed as greeks, but that is still mainly due to the "suitcase U" reputation that prevails even to this day - everyone goes home on weekends. But it can be done - Sigma Chi is still going strong as is LXA and Sigma Pi - I hear DTD is doing well (hat tip, Delt Alum) - not sure about other chapters (SAE just seems to always be there, but you don't hear a lot from them). Delta Chi was teetering for a while, but seems to be coming back - most sororities appear to be healthy.

Ummm...when was ATO on campus? That had to be long ago - at least before 1986 when I came to UNC - never seen or heard of them - I know they HAD a chapter in ages past...but did they try to recolonize or something and I miss it?

BTW, I happen to know a few UNC TKE alums - PM me and I'll give you names - see if we know the same folks....

As far as I knew, KSig was initiated. I didn't know they were still a colony. Hmmm. I didn't know about AKL either. I'll see if I can dig around and find out what's going on. The Delts did move into the old AXiD/SigX/AOII house. *haha mouthful* BUT, the AOII chapter did not close. They moved down the street between the old TKE house and the new Delt house, across from APhi. They may not have had their letters on at the time, but they did for recruitment in September. It's the house we originally wanted 3 years ago. As far as I know the sororities are still there, but the fraternity life there has suffered. I am glad to hear about the delt and the LXA's!

[AOII*Azra-elle]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Is this out of Line to wonder if some Schools do not desearve Greeks and the Alums say See Ya?

I know alot of recent alums for the sorority life from CSU, DU, and UNC that really want nothing to do with their chapter but love their org. It's hard.

[AOII*Azra-elle]

Originally posted by LXAAlum
If you are referring to UNC - LXA is by itself - DTD used to be down the street, but moved to the other side of campus into the old AXiD/AOPi house. TKE's gone, SX renting the house. There's too much moving of chapter houses at UNC to try and keep straight anymore. Four of the six old LXA houses they used to rent have been demolished (two were courtesy of LXA Animal House legacy (when I was in the Navy - missed out on the really wild times)).

Eh. I think most of the problems that happened were on 10th Ave in Greeley at UNC. There is/was Kappa Alpha and AKL on the same block, Delta Chi a block down, and then ASA, SK, and DZ on the next block, behind Sorority row used to be the Delts, but like LXAAlum said, they moved into my old house! *Sniff*, the LXA are still on that street, and then Sig Pi, Delts, AOII and Sig Chi are all on 8th within a block radius of about 5. I don't think there have been any problems. I know when AOII lived in their house last year SAE lived next door and there was ALOT of drinking going on between the two houses. I don't hear much about APhi, but they live across from the AOII house. The old LXA house in the last couple of years has been condemed. I know it was at least when KA lived there. Kappa Sig seems to be in that troubled area as well. Alot of drama on 10th. *ugh*

I think trouble tends to be in the area where there are a concentration of houses. The ones that live on the outskirts of that don't usually have problems with the university for random garbage like the others do.


Okay, I'm done with my check and post and check and post thing! *haha*