MAJOR Penalties for 8 GLOs at Colorado State U. - Page 2

exlurker · #16 09-09-2005, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
I really wonder if Samantha Spady would be happy to know that all these crackdowns and regulations are being made because of something stupid that she did. Somehow I doubt it.

Who knows? Of course, the foundation that her family set up in her memory has been cooperating with CSU and CSU Greeks. There are some upcoming events that will be, in part, in her memory -- see below -- in addition to the policy changes that the Greeks and the administration developed last year.

http://newsinfo.colostate.edu/index....m_id=668696333

LXAAlum · #17 09-09-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
No.

I'm pleased (although a little surprized) that our chapter isn't one of the ones named. It was one of my chapters when I was a Division Vice President and there used to be a fair amount of beer there. I hope they've taken the new rules seriously.

They had a suicide in the house a couple years ago which may have sobered (pun not intended or meant) the chapter.

Had to deal with a suicide as LXA chapter advisor as well - definitely changes the focus of what's important. Sometimes, tragedy brings a silver lining.

By the way, do you (or anyone) happen to know what became of Sigma Chi at CSU - the house is all boarded up, and appears ready for demolition (they did so to Sigma Nu a block away and built townhomes on the parcel - same thing here?). It's also the old ATO house, that SX either rented or bought, but being all boarded up is troubling, not to mention an eyesore, and, to add insult to injury, these are all on the same block as the other GLO's in the article that were busted (some sort of strong-arming to rebuild a neighborhood perhaps?).

AngieWashU · #18 09-09-2005, 03:32 PM

Even if sorority NMs have been recruited, will they be allowed to initiate?

33girl · #19 09-09-2005, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by AngieWashU
Even if sorority NMs have been recruited, will they be allowed to initiate?

I'm sure they could argue that is an activity "essential to run the chapter or the house."

TSteven · #20 09-09-2005, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by LXAAlum
By the way, do you (or anyone) happen to know what became of Sigma Chi at CSU - the house is all boarded up, and appears ready for demolition (they did so to Sigma Nu a block away and built townhomes on the parcel - same thing here?).

The Beta Tau Chapter of Sigma Chi is still at Colorado State. My understanding is that the chapter sold their old house and moved to a new one. I don't know why it (the old house) is boarded up.

SmartBlondeGPhB · #21 09-11-2005, 06:35 PM

SAE got into trouble with UPS for a similar thing a number of years (and is no longer there for that reason) but I have a serious problem with one small part of this.

"private homes"

How can a University have ANY say over what happened in a private home??????

But yes, I agree that the individuals should be punished more than the organizations if it's individual behavior that caused the problem.

PsychTau2 · #22 09-11-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by SmartBlondeGPhB
SAE got into trouble with UPS for a similar thing a number of years (and is no longer there for that reason) but I have a serious problem with one small part of this.

"private homes"

How can a University have ANY say over what happened in a private home??????

But yes, I agree that the individuals should be punished more than the organizations if it's individual behavior that caused the problem.

If it's a chapter event, it's a chapter event. Your "physical location" doesn't define your chapter, so if XYZ held a 10 kegger in the woods (instead of at the officially recognized chapter house), it's an XYZ event and the chapter can be held responsible, even though it was on private property (extreme example, I know....).

Also, at some point people need to realize that if a large majority of your chapter is there, and the chapter president knows it's occuring but does not try to stop it (i.e. calling security, reporting the instigators to the school or HQ and telling them it's an individual action not a chapter sanctioned event, disciplining the chapter individuals who are promoting it as a chapter event), then it appears as though the chapter is condoning it and could also be seen as responsible. Bottom line on that one is if a majority of your chapter knows it's breaking some sort of rule and doesn't want to get into trouble for it, they shouldn't be there. Actions speak louder than words.

PsychTau

James · #23 09-12-2005, 02:27 AM

Its funny but if you work for ABC company and your entire shift of 500 people decides to go to your house and party its not considered an ABC event . . . but if 5 people from Alpha Sigma Alpha are drinking together the whole organization is considered responsibile.

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Originally posted by PsychTau2
If it's a chapter event, it's a chapter event. Your "physical location" doesn't define your chapter, so if XYZ held a 10 kegger in the woods (instead of at the officially recognized chapter house), it's an XYZ event and the chapter can be held responsible, even though it was on private property (extreme example, I know....).

Also, at some point people need to realize that if a large majority of your chapter is there, and the chapter president knows it's occuring but does not try to stop it (i.e. calling security, reporting the instigators to the school or HQ and telling them it's an individual action not a chapter sanctioned event, disciplining the chapter individuals who are promoting it as a chapter event), then it appears as though the chapter is condoning it and could also be seen as responsible. Bottom line on that one is if a majority of your chapter knows it's breaking some sort of rule and doesn't want to get into trouble for it, they shouldn't be there. Actions speak louder than words.

PsychTau

kddani · #24 09-12-2005, 06:12 AM

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Originally posted by James
Its funny but if you work for ABC company and your entire shift of 500 people decides to go to your house and party its not considered an ABC event . . .

Bet it would be.

DeltAlum · #25 09-12-2005, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by kddani
Bet it would be.

Yeah, I would think so, too. I don't buy into some national rules like if there are two or more (fill in the number) members together, it's a chapter function -- but at some point the organization needed would certainly point that way.

hoosier · #26 09-12-2005, 01:31 PM

Not speaking specificly to any chapter/event, but the campus dean will assume a lot of power, and make some stupid decisions - if there is not check and balance.

The available check and balance is a lawyer. The dean may think he has a lot of power over students and campus groups, but his/her power over an incorporated GLO on private property might be limited if the GLO gets a lawyer involved.

At UGa a few years ago, a sorority was about to get suspended for "discrimination" until the alumnae asked their lawyer to talk to the dean. Suddenly the dean's tune was changed.

The point: cultivate your alumni who are lawyers.

Tom Earp · #27 09-12-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by kddani
Bet it would be.

Maybe it would depend on how it was presented?

But, Greeks do hold a special position dont WE!

I am sure before the Internet, many of the things going on today were actually unknown. Now it is an open book!

Tom Earp · #28 09-13-2005, 04:14 PM

Having just gotten off of the phone with Justin a DU from CSU, his opinion is that The Adm. wants to sweep the Greeks under the carpet or out of their hair.

Not working with Greeks will always create hostilities wont it?

The opposite sides that we see on GreekChat from Schools is Mind Boggleing.

exlurker · #29 09-13-2005, 09:29 PM

The Pi Kappa Alpha chapter at Colorado State will not lose their charter, according to an article in the Sept. 13 student paper. They will, however, not be recognized by the university.

Article:

http://www.collegian.com/vnews/displ.../432653c5c82b5

The article also includes a quote from a fraternity member trying to clarify what the partying was about. In this case, the explanation may not have made things seem a whole lot better

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"It isn't a case of . . . getting drunk at 5 a.m. and then throwing up and blacking out. It was more like a few drinks and then passing out or going to class," Selvy [the IFC president][I said.[/I]

LXAAlum · #30 09-13-2005, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
Having just gotten off of the phone with Justin a DU from CSU, his opinion is that The Adm. wants to sweep the Greeks under the carpet or out of their hair.

Not working with Greeks will always create hostilities wont it?

The opposite sides that we see on GreekChat from Schools is Mind Boggleing.

Just to clarify - Justin is a UNC alum, but his sister was a CSU greek.

Please note - for those of you familiar with the greek layout at CSU - all the chapters (save one, I believe) that have been sanctioned are all in the same neighborhood where the Samantha Spady incident occured.

One greek house has already been demolished and rebuilt as townhomes. It looks like Sigma Chi is going the same route. Chi Omega is adjacent to Sig's house. Tri Delt is across the street from Chi O. I believe there is more to this story than just a crack down on greeks (not that it was needed, but it's just a storefront story in my mind).

I would not be surprised that they are trying to get the houses off of this block for developers to come in and build more townhomes/apartment buildings. This is just a two block walk from CSU's campus. The real estate value in that area is just too good to pass up. Don't be surprised if it happens.