Question: Does anyone ever see the NPHC allowing inclusion of a 10th group? - Page 2

Little E · #1 08-23-2005, 09:33 AM

I believe that it is more than 15 chapters. I thought it was more like 30 chapters at four year accredited institutions. I could easily be wrong, I couldn't find the info on the website. I know when AST joined the NPC we lost a number of chapters because our chapters were at teaching schools.

In 1972 Iota Alpha Pi quit the NPC rather than be merged or close. They are still around I believe.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...erger+sorority

That is the thread about NPC mergers and closures.

I imagine it would be hard to get in at this point in time.

tunatartare · #2 08-23-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by Little E
I believe that it is more than 15 chapters. I thought it was more like 30 chapters at four year accredited institutions. I could easily be wrong, I couldn't find the info on the website. I know when AST joined the NPC we lost a number of chapters because our chapters were at teaching schools.

In 1972 Iota Alpha Pi quit the NPC rather than be merged or close. They are still around I believe.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...erger+sorority

That is the thread about NPC mergers and closures.

I imagine it would be hard to get in at this point in time.

I believe it's 13 active chapters for associate membership, and 15 for full membership.

ilovemyglo · #3 08-23-2005, 09:59 AM

I imagine Ceres is close wonder if they will petition...

OrigamiTulip · #4 08-23-2005, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by Little E
I believe that it is more than 15 chapters. I thought it was more like 30 chapters at four year accredited institutions. I could easily be wrong, I couldn't find the info on the website. I know when AST joined the NPC we lost a number of chapters because our chapters were at teaching schools.

In 1972 Iota Alpha Pi quit the NPC rather than be merged or close. They are still around I believe.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...erger+sorority

That is the thread about NPC mergers and closures.

I imagine it would be hard to get in at this point in time.

Actually, Iota Alpha Pi completely disbanded. It was Kappa Beta Gamma that left the NPC.

OrigamiTulip · #5 08-23-2005, 10:16 AM

I believe that the NPHC will admit more groups in the future. Their standards are very high, but that means that the groups they admit will be strong and competitive. i think It will be a while before any group is large enough to apply. The biggest non-NPHC BGLO I can think of is Gamma Phi Delta, and they have 13 undedgrad chapters and 58 grad chapters. Thats a long way to go before meeting the NPHC's requirements.

As far as the NPC, I think that while it may technically be possible to pursue membership with just 15 chapters, it would be foolish to actually do so. An organization that small would have real trouble competing with the more established organizations. They would have fewer members, fewer alumnae, and fewer financial resources. It would be a lot better for an sorority interested in NPC membership to remain independent until they had enough chapters to be similar in size to other NPC groups. That's becasue while independent, they can set their own expansion policies, and grow at a rate that is comfortable to them and the campuses that they are expanding to. Once they join the NPC, it will become a lot harder to expand, since they will have to follow the existing NPC expansion policies.

aopirose · #6 08-23-2005, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by ladygreek
Yep, it wasn't until 1993 that the NPHC's consitution was amended to allow for expansion. And this happened because of the tenacity of the Iotas.

Yes, this is my understanding too.

aopirose · #7 08-23-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by BetaRose
As far as the NPC, I think that while it may technically be possible to pursue membership with just 15 chapters, it would be foolish to actually do so. An organization that small would have real trouble competing with the more established organizations. They would have fewer members, fewer alumnae, and fewer financial resources. It would be a lot better for an sorority interested in NPC membership to remain independent until they had enough chapters to be similar in size to other NPC groups. That's becasue while independent, they can set their own expansion policies, and grow at a rate that is comfortable to them and the campuses that they are expanding to. Once they join the NPC, it will become a lot harder to expand, since they will have to follow the existing NPC expansion policies.

I tend to agree with this. To petition for NPC membership, an org. has to have at least 13 collegiate chapters at accredited four-year institutions. The youngest chapter can be no less than two-years-old. That means that the org. would have to put off extension for several years. Not that that is a bad thing but it could hurt in the long term. There was a buzz about 10 years ago that a Latina sorority was considering joining but it never came to pass. Maybe they decided to join NALFO.

NinjaPoodle · #8 08-23-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by xp2k
I'm just curious what people think.

There are smaller, but national BGLOs that have been working to expand. Does anyone ever see the NPHC allowing membership to a new group?

No.

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Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
I thought one of the reasons why it took so long for Iota to become a member of NPHC was because the council didn't have a procedure for expansion prior to then. I could be wrong.

NPHC has a lot of requirements for expansion and I don't know of any organizations that currently meets all of them and would want to be a member of the council.

Agreed

Finer Woman10-A-91 · #9 08-23-2005, 11:56 AM

If said organization meets and exceeds the requirements and the member organizations see fit, I don't see why this would be a problem.

My personal concern is the copy cat orgs that spring up and say they have a different focus, when in fact they mimic NPHC practices, mottos, and principles.

I say do your thang...every lady cannot and should not be a Zeta. Just don't go running around talking about Finer Womanhood, Scholarship, Service and Sisterhood are your principles...TRY AGAIN!

More on this later...maybe

TheEpitome1920 · #10 08-23-2005, 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by BetaRose
I believe that the NPHC will admit more groups in the future. Their standards are very high, but that means that the groups they admit will be strong and competitive. i think It will be a while before any group is large enough to apply. The biggest non-NPHC BGLO I can think of is Gamma Phi Delta, and they have 13 undedgrad chapters and 58 grad chapters. Thats a long way to go before meeting the NPHC's requirements.

Isn't Gamma Phi Delta a professional sorority? I believe they have members who are also members of NPHC organizations.

TheEpitome1920 · #11 08-23-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Finer Woman10-A-91
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My personal concern is the copy cat orgs that spring up and say they have a different focus, when in fact they mimic NPHC practices, mottos, and principles.

It seems that everyone wants to be a founder of something.

PhoenixAzul · #12 08-23-2005, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
Isn't Gamma Phi Delta a professional sorority? I believe they have members who are also members of NPHC organizations.

Perhaps I am reading their info page wrong, but it seems like they have a "business focus", much like how Farmhouse Fraternity and Triangle and Alpha Gamma Rho fraternities have focuses in Agriculture and Engineering.. http://www.gammaphideltasorority.com/ was what I was looking at...although there appears to be another Gamma Phi Delta, a christian focus fraternity as well http://www.gphid.org/

sugar and spice · #13 08-23-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by aopirose
To petition for NPC membership, an org. has to have at least 13 collegiate chapters at accredited four-year institutions. The youngest chapter can be no less than two-years-old. That means that the org. would have to put off extension for several years.

Untrue. I think we've discussed this on the board before, and the rule is that the 13th chapter has to be at least two years old -- NOT that the youngest chapter has to be. A chapter could petition if they had, say, a 16th chapter that was only a week old, as long as their 13th chapter was at least two years old.

A more interesting question would be whether or not a sorority like Ceres or Phi Sigma Rho (who currently are close to meeting the criteria, or DO meet it) would be interesting in competing with the NPC sororities when they have a special focus. Something like this works in the NIC because of their more relaxed governing rules, but I don't know if it would fly in the NPC or NPHC.

aopirose · #14 08-23-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
Untrue. I think we've discussed this on the board before, and the rule is that the 13th chapter has to be at least two years old -- NOT that the youngest chapter has to be. A chapter could petition if they had, say, a 16th chapter that was only a week old, as long as their 13th chapter was at least two years old.

Sorry. My version of the Green Book is little older and that's how I interpreted it.

Senusret I · #15 08-23-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by xp2k
I'm just curious what people think.

There are smaller, but national BGLOs that have been working to expand.

Does anyone ever see the NPHC allowing membership to a new group?

I imagine it would be an incredible undertaking...

Short answer: Yes, if any meet the criteria.

I doubt that any more will be able to meet the criteria, which I feel are too strict in the first place. I don't think the other nine organizations will be weakened by offering the same guidelines for development and cooperation to smaller organizations.