Chico censors newspaper hazing story

[kddani]

Originally posted by LittleGirl
I am surprised how much discussion occurs on this board about a small CA state school with a small greek system.

I'm surprised about how many times we've had to hear about hazing, deaths, and other bad things coming out of this particular small CA state school with a small greek system.

If things didn't happen there, we wouldn't be talking about them. But everytime we turn around there's Chico this, Chico that.

[AlphaPhiBubbles]

Originally posted by kddani
If things didn't happen there, we wouldn't be talking about them. But everytime we turn around there's Chico this, Chico that.

Oh PUH-LEASE....aren't you exaggerating a bit? If I had the time and energy to research it, I bet there are lots of schools with worse problems (and a longer history of problems) related to hazing. Sure deaths occur...deaths occur at EVERY school from a million different causes. Unfortunatley something like this awful hazing incident happens once in a while (not something that happens often) and then everything we do makes the news. So cut it out with that crap...

[kddani]

Originally posted by AlphaPhiBubbles
Oh PUH-LEASE....aren't you exaggerating a bit? If I had the time and energy to research it, I bet there are lots of schools with worse problems (and a longer history of problems) related to hazing. Sure deaths occur...deaths occur at EVERY school from a million different causes. Unfortunatley something like this awful hazing incident happens once in a while (not something that happens often) and then everything we do makes the news. So cut it out with that crap...

Nope. Chico's in the news constantly for negative things. You can't deny that. Sorry, I know you love your school, but it's been a greek system PR nightmare.

If Chico straightens itself out, then we won't have anything to talk about.

Until then, most of us don't believe in sweeping stuff under the rug.

So instead of telling me to "cut it out with that crap", maybe you should cut it out with your denial that there have been MAJOR issues at Chico.

[LittleGirl]

It is not that there has been another incident. This thread is about an article about Chico State students.

This article is about the partying at the school not focusing on the greek system. Also, it does not come out until August.

And, constantly? Really?

Unfortunately, Chico is not the first school to have a student die from hazing. The fact that the dean is very motivated to make major changes and is very vocal is not a bad thing.
But, I have seen bad behavior tolerated for years at other schools. This is not the case at Chico.

I think the houses are taking reform seriously. My initial post in this thread was my surprise at the Anti-Chico attitude that seems to be present on this board.

[Little E]

I don't mean to be rude, but LittleGirl and Bubbles, you come off sounding kind of flip about the death. I'm sure you don't mean to, but a kid died...

One other thing. I know the greeks at Chico give back to the town through philanthropy, but just as a reminder, one death can erase 50 years of good deeds...

[LittleGirl]

I was not being flip about Matthew's death. It awful what happened to Matthew. I am shocked that my comments could be construed in that light.

I would never want his family and friends to be hurt by my comments.

[kddani]

Originally posted by Little E
I don't mean to be rude, but LittleGirl and Bubbles, you come off sounding kind of flip about the death. I'm sure you don't mean to, but a kid died...

gotta ditto that

[LittleGirl]

I think you are not understanding my posts and are way off the mark.

[kddani]

Because I have a few minutes while my dinner is cooking, here's just a quick list of incidents that have happened at Chico in recent memory that have been posted about on here:

Sigma Chi hazing near- death of Richard Amador: http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...ighlight=chico

Chi Tau hazing death of Michael Carrington:
http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...ighlight=chico

Pi Beta Phi closed for hazing/alchol:
http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...ighlight=chico

Phi Kappa Tau porn:
http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...ighlight=chico

Pi Kappa Phi hazing:
http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...ighlight=chico

And that's just what a quick search of the Risk Management forum for threads with Chico in them, these are the relevant ones.

Edited to fix typos

[Tom Earp]

LittleGirl, it is not off of the Mark, but the many reports of problems that come out of this single School. They as a School are Having Problems as many do and there is not a Member of GC and Any GLO that do not abhor it.

First, it makes us all as Greeks look bad, and the majority of people who hear about it go WTF? Is this what Our Young People are doing.

If you look at the number of Greeks across the Country USA and Canada it is a small number compared to the actual School Population.

But each time it is a Greek Name Tagged to It, We all look badly in the eyes of not only the Media but the Parents who may have their children attending any School.

[dxp_tiktok]

just an FYI...

The News & Review is a weekly free newspaper that people can pick up. It is known as the "liberal" newspaper in town. Their circulation numbers are higher because they don't have a paid circulation.

The Chico Enterprise-Record is the daily paper with about 35,000 paid circulation. It is a very conservative paper - I know because I worked there for 3 years. During that time, I was the one who typeset the obituaries for the greek deaths. Experiencing the grief of those families is something I will never forget.

I can see both sides of the argument here, but I know the remaining Greeks & the University Administration are working diligently to make a positive change. All the Greeks have met for several "sit-downs" with the Greek Task Force in the Spring & in the process of completing several "tiers" of requirements in the upcoming years. More info is at http://www.csuchico.edu/sa/greekreport/

[AlphaPhiBubbles]

I am wasting my time when I reply to all these threads about my school... because ultimatley no one knows the truth like we do when it comes to our school. And sorry kddani I am not sweeping anything under a rug. I live with the consequences of everything thats happened every day, it would be impossible for me to be in denial about it.

Although your intentions may have been good your post with links is still riddled with major errors. No Sigma Chi pledge died...he almost died from alcohol poisening but is alive and kicking. Pi Beta Phi closed very recently due to an alcohol violation, NOT HAZING. By Phi Kappa Phi I think you meant Pi Kappa Phi, and Adrian Heidemans death was due to alcohol not hazing. I have friends who were in his pledge class.

Maybe you should read through all those posts and check your facts before posting ignorant titles for them.

I don't try and sugar coat the things that happen here. We drink a lot. We party a lot. I think an average of 2 people per "going out night" (thursday, friday, saturday) get sent to the hospital for alcohol. It's something the campus has struggled with for a LONG time but is slowly changing for the better. I think all the changes about to happen to the greek system and campus are good, although they will make being greek kinda shitty, but hopefully people won't be so stupid in the future.

I also only strive to get the truth out about whats going on at Chico...I am haunted every day by Matthews death as I live 1 block away from the Chi Tau house and I think of him in that disgusting basement when I drive or walk by. So don't think I am dismissing this as something that just "happens". But people still don't seem to grasp that Chi Tau wasn't really a part of any greek system. They don't reflect in any way the other groups, national or local.

I would also like to say thanks for everyone actually posting the truth about the newspapers. I appreciate people actually checking their facts instead of listening to heresay.

So I wanted to ask... as a Chico Greek... I admit "we" as a student body, screwed up pretty bad. So what are we supposed to do about it? I see lots of you saying very negative things about how awful and murderous and sinful we all are, even though everyone knows about the things Zingg is doing to help. Sure as individuals you can all just sit back and say "well it's easy just stop doing all that bad stuff" but if you were our greek advisor or the president or the director of student life what would your plan be?

If you can't come up with something better than what we are already trying, then I don't really want to hear anyones criticism.

[kddani]

I apologize for typos, sorry that i don't have all day to go through and post everything. If someone wants to know, a search is easily done.

Hazing, alcohol violations, it all winds up in the news and makes us ALL look bad.

Originally posted by AlphaPhiBubbles
If you can't come up with something better than what we are already trying, then I don't really want to hear anyones criticism. [/COLOR] [/B]

This is the Risk Management forum, for discussion of all things Risk-Management related. Regardless of what you think of your school, these incidents reflect poorly upon all of us as a Greek community. We have every right to discuss it. If you don't want to hear the criticism, don't visit the forum. As I said, we have every right to discuss Chico.

If I was the president or director of student life, i'd likely want to close the greek system there as a whole. It's a huge liability for the school, and has been an immense PR nightmare. I guess I'd also do a major overhaul and study of Chico's image and why it attracts students who choose to live this lifestyle and bring down the school, and what can be done to change that. But that's just me.

I applaud the school for even trying to work it out, good for them. Most schools wouldn't have such patience

[moe.ron]

I applaud the school for even trying to work it out, good for them. Most schools wouldn't have such patience

Agree with you totally. I would've pull the plug a long time ago.

[Tom Earp]

Well, maybe In Deffernce to the Chico Squad they can really tell us what the real problem is other than it is a party school.

So, Whose fault is that? The Schools or the Students or Just Greeks?

It really sounds like a Major Problen to be sure.

I am glad that The Greek System and The School are working together to get thier problems straightened out.

But from the sounds of some of You Chico Students, it is a total Problem there.

Compare to Colo. Un. and Their Greek and Athletic Program.

It starts with The Adm., not the Students. It sounds like the ADM. just let Shit Run Wild until it was out of hand.

Hell, If I was a Parent, and read all of this stuff, I would have Big Second Thoughts about having My Child attend school there.

It has no bearing on what Paper said what, it did happen didnt it?