Blond Hair and Blue Eyes "She Had to Die"

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
I agree...

Did I say I understand why he killed someone? NO.

But I understand the feelings of anger and pain at being a second class citizen. But that DOES NOT justify killing someone, which is said before.

Wrong is wrong no matter how you try to justify it.

So basically you're like the lawyer for those teenagers that shoot their parents and say they were abused?

It's not right, but you understand their anger and hope to explain it?

-Rudey

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rudey
So basically you're like the lawyer for those teenagers that shoot their parents and say they were abused?

It's not right, but you understand their anger and hope to explain it?

-Rudey

Not at all, its not my job or goal to explain anything.

I can understand why a poor mother would steal food for her child. Does that mean that I think its ok for her to steal? No.

Understanding something and believing its ok are two different things.

At the end of the day, people are responsible for their own actions. Its not my job to justify it. I just simply made the comment that I recognize and have shared the experience of being treated badly because of my race. Do I go around being mean to people? No.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
Not at all, its not my job or goal to explain anything.

I can understand why a poor mother would steal food for her child. Does that mean that I think its ok for her to steal? No.

Understanding something and believing its ok are two different things.

At the end of the day, people are responsible for their own actions. Its not my job to justify it. I just simply made the comment that I recognize and have shared the experience of being treated badly because of my race. Do I go around being mean to people? No.

I'm just saying it has no relevance to the fact that he did it and is a sympathy play.

But then again, I want there to be no shades of gray on this.

And if the roles were reversed, someone reasoning that a white man lynched a black man because he is fighting a race war and doesn't like black people using the same public bathrooms, would be called a racist. I guess that's black and white with no room for gray.

-Rudey

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
Well, I'll give my perspective. Imagine you live in an area where no one looks like you. You are stared at, ridiculed for your features, told you are ugly, worthless, less than a human being. You go to restaurants and stores and are either treated like a thief or ignored. People cross to the other side of the street when they see you. You are called names, harrassed, spit on, maybe even beaten.

Many of these things have happened to me, and lots of other minorities in this country. I am NOT excusing his behavior, because killing someone is WRONG no matter what the excuse. But I do understand his sense of frustration in a world that treats many people as second class citizens.

For anyone who was wondering about my comments, this is exactly what I meant.

[Honeykiss1974]

I guess.

I mean for real, how do yall get all that from those few lines? Seriously, this man could have felt compelled to say this for more reasons than we could think of.... (Suzy white girl turned him down for a date, so he's pissed, trying to avoid going to jail or receiving the death penalty for his actions so he goes the insanity route, just plain ol' crazy, etc.).

I just don't buy his reasoning, so it will be interesting to see how his case pans out.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
You understand where he is coming from? How so (in turns of being frustrated with whites, being oppressed, mad enough to murder someone, etc.) ?

Just trying to get a handle on your sympathy for a murderer(and a senseless murder at that) who wanted to kill people like yourself.

I don't see the world as the world sees me. I don't identify well as "caucasian" because "my people" are all my brothers and sisters in Christ.

I understand where he is coming from meaning that I know what's it's like to have horrible things happen to you and you can't do anything about it. All you can do is scream in your mind and get more and more angry. When you've been consumed by anger on any level, you can certainly have a sense of what people like this guy are feeling when they commit their acts of horror.

But, most of us have a shut off switch that keeps us from actually following through with murder or rape or other vile crimes. If you don't know what it is to be this angry, it just means that you haven't had the misfortune of reaching that level of all-consuming emotion.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
I guess.

I mean for real, how do yall get all that from those few lines? Seriously, this man could have felt compelled to say this for more reasons than we could think of.... (Suzy white girl turned him down for a date, so he's pissed, trying to avoid going to jail or receiving the death penalty for his actions so he goes the insanity route, just plain ol' crazy, etc.).

I just don't buy his reasoning, so it will be interesting to see how his case pans out.

I watched this story on the news so I saw a bit more than what the article describes - which is why in my first post, I expressed surprise that there wasn't more coverage of the event. That little article was all I could find on it.

[Tom Earp]

That is nice, let Your Beleif do your thinking!
Maybe not your Color.

Well, there are becoming ,more and more non-segregated Areas, Da!

Basically the reason people dont like people is because of Economics.

I do not care what people want to call other people, if you act like an ass then be treated like an ass.

What Color does it matter?

Get over Your Whiteness or Blackness, or what the hell ever!

Do you walk on two legs and speak with a Language compared to other Species?

Oh, That is called HomoSapiens! Da People, Us!

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
For anyone who was wondering about my comments, this is exactly what I meant.

No one was wondering, although you have other things you could probably address.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by KSig RC
No one was wondering, although you have other things you could probably address.

Honeykiss was. What other things could I address?

[Tom Earp]

Any and All?

[TheEpitome1920]

Murder is wrong, regardless of the reasons.

However, I don't think that identifying with the fustrations of being treated like a 2nd class citizen means that you excuse the actions of a murderer. It just means you understand their frustration. Why does it have to taken to mean more than that?

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
Murder is wrong, regardless of the reasons.

However, I don't think that identifying with the fustrations of being treated like a 2nd class citizen means that you excuse the actions of a murderer. It just means you understand their frustration. Why does it have to taken to mean more than that?

Thank you sister-Greek!

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
I don't see the world as the world sees me. I don't identify well as "caucasian" because "my people" are all my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Right, but not identifying as "caucasian" doesn't mean that you're not caucasian. You can be white and still concerned about the plight of people of color in this country.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by valkyrie
Right, but not identifying as "caucasian" doesn't mean that you're not caucasian. You can be white and still concerned about the plight of people of color in this country.

I'm not saying that society doesn't see me as white or that I don't reap the benefits...I'm saying that race as a concept is terribly wrong to me, so I prefer not to identify myself racially. The problem is not that I don't want to be white...it's that I don't want to be any "color" and that's a separate issue altogether from my concern for anyone else.

And this right here drives me crazy.