Flag Burning Amendment Advances In House

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
OKAY, then come and drag your butts to My House and Burn the Flag that I hold High as something that is a symbol of Everyone before us who made this Country what it is. Those that have paid with their Blood to give you the right to say what you say.

Yes, it is My Freedom of Speach to profess this.
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Shut up Tom.





Honestly, people who want to ban the burning of the flag should be expat'ed, and deported to the third world. You can whine about how much you've done for your nation when you're required to tithe 60% of your paltry income to the corrupt local warlords, or when your daughters are forced into the sex trade.

Burning the flag is PART OF WHY THIS NATION WAS FOUNDED. Or have you forgotten that we broke from the British?

Holy fucking crap, I feel like I'm yelling at a wall every damn day on greekchat.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by KSig RC
Burning the flag is PART OF WHY THIS NATION WAS FOUNDED. Or have you forgotten that we broke from the British?

Hey now.... it's not illegal to burn the Union Jack, nor any flag of the Commonwealth as far as I know....

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Then let the courts decide on the Constitutionality. That's why we have separation of powers in that same document.

The court will have no say. This is a constitutional amendment.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by moe.ron
The court will have no say. This is a constitutional amendment.

That's true. I realized that last night when I watched the news.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by RACooper
Hey now.... it's not illegal to burn the Union Jack, nor any flag of the Commonwealth as far as I know....

ha, I was being figurative, using 'burning the flag' as an example of 'active/collective action against the government'

Regardless, you're exactly right, and that's exactly the point - we were free to burn the Union Jack, and it was a good thing . . .

[RUgreek]

While I would never have the urge to burn the American flag, I have always felt that the right to symbolic speech does include and should lead with this country's flag burning. Kind of sounds hypocritical that this country's first amendment is a symbol of free speech, and then we throw up restrictions just for our symbols...

If congress wants to ban all flag burning, then maybe I'd be on board, but what if some foreign citizens hold a high degree of respect for another country's flag and see it burning on American soil, they would be criminalized for expressing their feelings and frustration on this country's flag.

It's a slippery slope and I don't see this Amendment ever passing the senate, no matter how conservative the media thinks they are.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by honeychile
2) The not-so-obvious: I may go through 4-5 flags a year. They get tattered, dirty, and worn. In the correct method of disposing of these flags, I keep them aside, and have one respectful flag burning a year. What if someone turns me in as a flag burner? Once a bill like this passes, it could easily be used against someone who means no harm.

While I don't think it's considered disrespectful to burn an old flag -- which is what we were all taught to do -- I also don't think it's recommended these days.

I read somewhere that you should take an old flag to the VFW or American Leigon or like group and they will destroy it in a prescribed manner.

Speaking of respectful, I think we should be a little careful in this debate of how we address each other. Expressing our own feelings on this issue is part of our right to freedom of speech as well.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Speaking of respectful, I think we should be a little careful in this debate of how we address each other. Expressing our own feelings on this issue is part of our right to freedom of speech as well.

While this is true (in a slippery-slope sort of way), there's a difference between espousing your feelings and supporting a Constitutional amendment . . .

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by KSig RC
While this is true (in a slippery-slope sort of way), there's a difference between espousing your feelings and supporting a Constitutional amendment . . .

I don't understand. Doesn't your right to free speech apply to both? What is the slippery slope?

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
I don't understand. Doesn't your right to free speech apply to both? What is the slippery slope?

Your right to free speech applies to both. However, the slippery slope comes in when it's your right to speak freely about limiting the rights of others. It's their right to speak of those matters, but supporting an amendment to the constitution to do the same does not merit the same necessary respect as speech.

Note that I use 'respect' in the sense of 'acknowledgement and deference to the fact that it's allowed', and not 'recognition of worth or value'

[DeltAlum]

OK, I think I understand your thoughts.

I thought we might be heading down the "America, Love It Or Leave It" path, which has always been very discouraging to me.

I love it, but don't always agree with it.

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by kddani
what's freedom of "speach"?

how important of a freedom can it be to you that you can't spell it correctly even once?

Yes I can spell it "SPEECH", does that make You Happy O Tom Earp STALKER?

The total Idea is that Our Flag Of The United States of America is the same type of Symbol as The Bald Eagle. It is illegal to kill!

But, I would imagine that You and Bennie Franklin would like the National Bird Symbol to Be The Turkey!

Oh, please refrain from stalking Me and correcting My Typoes of Earp SpeaK,

Oh Yes, Freedom Of Speak is only good for those who feel it is their way only!


ACLU, would pick up on the Freedom of Speech as long as it will suite their Purpose. Would You as A New Legal Beagle want to present Yourself as One?

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
The total Idea is that Our Flag Of The United States of America is the same type of Symbol as The Bald Eagle. It is illegal to kill!

Its illegal to kill because its an endangered species, not because its a symbol.

[kddani]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Its illegal to kill because its an endangered species, not a symbol.

Thank you, beat me too it.

Funny that Earp calls me a stalker, because I had just called him the same thing in a different thread where he just randomly posted after me and started insulting me.

But it's not worth the effort to argue with someone who is so entirely ignorant on what he's talking about. Tom, get some education on the First Amendment then come talk to me.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
I thought we might be heading down the "America, Love It Or Leave It" path, which has always been very discouraging to me.

I love it, but don't always agree with it.

I think this amendment (and some of those spouting off in this thread) are literal embodiments of the "LOVE IT URRRR LEAVE IT!" mentality, which is the 'get err done' of rational patriotic/constitutional argumentation. It's the most distasteful thing I can imagine, really, and in that we're totally in accord.