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dukedg · #16 06-17-2005, 03:24 AM

At Cal we have been using the quota range system for a while (our Greek advisors were sort of renegade and decided to do what was best for our system even if it was against NPC's recommendations). Anyway, I'm not sure if we also use the new release procedures (I haven't gotten my new green book yet, so I don't know what they are). We definitely have not, however, gotten rid of quota additions.

In fact, I think we now have more because letting one or two houses get quota +1 or +3 allows us to keep our overall quota number lower and thus more chapters achieve "quota". Plus, I believe Cal guarantees a bid to a PNM who sticks with the process and, since the other purpose of the quota range is to give PNM's their best options, this usually results in quota additions.

Maybe other schools are thinking of using the quota range differently or maybe the new release system affects quota additions?

TxGirl · #17 06-17-2005, 10:52 AM

I think the idea is to eliminate the need for quota additions by placing as many women as possible through quota range.

Instead of there being so many that do not get bids through regular bid match, one or two groups that don't make quota and then all the chapters that did make quota getting a couple "extra" through quota addition, they would place those women within the regular bid matching process.

My chapter changed to the new release figure method (RFM) last year and where we normally have anywhere from 10-20 no bids after quota addition, we only had 2. Those women could not be placed because they had intentional single preferenced (only put one chapter down on their card) and therefore were not eligible for quota addition.

Sad thing was, they would have gotten their first choice that way, but because the did not list two chapters, they got no bid and the chapter they listed first was not able to COB them b/c they were already at quota and chapter total.

CarolinaCutie · #18 06-17-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by dukedg
At Cal we have been using the quota range system for a while (our Greek advisors were sort of renegade and decided to do what was best for our system even if it was against NPC's recommendations). Anyway, I'm not sure if we also use the new release procedures (I haven't gotten my new green book yet, so I don't know what they are). We definitely have not, however, gotten rid of quota additions.

In fact, I think we now have more because letting one or two houses get quota +1 or +3 allows us to keep our overall quota number lower and thus more chapters achieve "quota". Plus, I believe Cal guarantees a bid to a PNM who sticks with the process and, since the other purpose of the quota range is to give PNM's their best options, this usually results in quota additions.

Maybe other schools are thinking of using the quota range differently or maybe the new release system affects quota additions?

Yeah, I don't think that using quota range will eliminate quota additions all together, because it's a system that works. But I agree with TxGirl, I'm hoping it will limit the need to use them by helping more girls actually match within quota.

As far as I can tell, the new release figures system is not directly correlated with the new system of quota range, other than the fact that they are both designed to help PNMs get their first choices through bid matching. This year's Recruitment should definitely be an interesting experiment in the new procedures, but I'm hoping it will go really well.

exlurker · #19 06-17-2005, 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by dukedg
At Cal we have been using the quota range system for a while (our Greek advisors were sort of renegade and decided to do what was best for our system even if it was against NPC's recommendations). . . .

Hmpf! Bunch of damn Berkeley hippies!

Jill1228 · #20 06-17-2005, 05:10 PM

What she said! I ordered one a few weeks ago and it came in today.

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Originally posted by AGDLynn
Guess I'm expected to take it out of the shrink wrap and read it, ugh? Glad to know there's sisters I can call to explain what I don't understand!!

dukedg · #21 06-17-2005, 05:10 PM

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Hmpf! Bunch of damn Berkeley hippies!

That's for damn sure. Coming from a Greek system at Duke to be an adviser at Berkeley was such a shock. They definitely do things their own way! Still, I do think the quota range system has increased the number of chapters at Berkeley making quota and, in that respect, strengthened the Greek system.

We may be crazy, but occasionally we get it right!!

roqueemae · #22 06-17-2005, 10:47 PM

I am skeptical about quota additions as it is now. I always wondered that if we would have "run the program" with a higher quota-how the results would be different. That is why I thought it would eliminate the need. Maybe that is just for our system though. We usually match all but 2 girls after the Quota Additions (which only the PA advisors know). 5 sororities with a quota of usually about 25. Only one chapter consistently misses quota.

How would that chapter if the purpose of this is to match the most girls? It could end up that they get like 8 with everyone else at 28--am I getting this right?

dukedg · #23 06-17-2005, 11:58 PM

Hmm, the way it has worked at Berkeley since I've been here is best explained through an example.

We have 12 sororities. Let's say on pref night if we chose to set quota at 26 only 4 chapters would make quota, if we set it at 24, 8 chapters would make quota, if we set it at 22 then 10 would make quota. We then have to decide what is in the best interest of the chapters and the PNMs. To be honest, we usually end up with quota at either the middle or lowest option (22 or 24). Of course, this means that some of the chapters with better recruitment results have quota additions. That is the only way we can make sure we give a bid to everyone who stuck with the process.

This just means that the "stronger" (you know what I mean) houses have +2 and so they can end up with the quota of 26 anyway. That is because a lot of women cross rush at the chapters that can already achieve quota at the lower numbers. Still, more chapters can go back to their headquarters and say they made quota. I don't mean to be down on the system, because I think it's perfectly fine, it just seems more a semantics issue than a process that really levels the field (i.e., defining quota so more chapters make it).

I agree that there are some chapters that are not going to make quota even under this system. If you don't have enough PNMs come to your pref night or don't have enough people who will except a bid from you then we can't lower quota to 15 just so those other chapters make quota too.

TxGirl · #24 06-18-2005, 12:56 AM

The idea with the whole new process or RFM - Release Figure Method, is to help more chapters make quota while also placing more women in their chapter of preference.

They are hoping that chapters that have not been making quota, but that are close (say within 5) will now make quota and chapters that are no where near will do better.

Of course the entire thing will not work by only using part of the system. By only using the quota range, you are not necessarily going to help more PNM's be placed. Maybe more of those left in recuitment, but not more overall. Which of course is ultimately the goal, for more women that start the process to receive and accept a bid from a chapter.

Roqueemae asked if it is possible for all to make quota but one who way below. Yes, this is possible and exactly what happened at my school last year.

Of six groups, four have made quota consistanly for the last 4 years, one has been within 5-8 and the other has gotten only about 25% of whatever quota was that year.

Last year we used RFM, we raised our return rates (even though our recruitment numbers were down) and five of the six made quota and quota additions during bid match - the sixth chapter got their 25%.

This may not sound like a big difference until you hear that in the last four years there have typically been 20-25 women that drop out of recruitment just prior to pref - which in the old method 2 version of setting quota means that they are included in quota. One year this was an entire new member class. Additionally, we have had anywhere from 10-20 no bids. With approximately 300 women going through recruitment, this was a big number for both things. There was no way everyone could make quota because the women just weren't there. The no bids were after quota additions.

Using the RFM, we had only a handful drop out prior to pref and had only 2 no bids. Those women weren't eligible for quota addition b/c of intentional single preference on their cards. If I recall correctly, we only had about 19 that didn't get their first pref. Quota was 34.

Overall the system worked. Mainly, it worked for the PNM's because more of them stayed in recruitment and became sorority women.

So, I don't know that we will be saying goodbye to quota additions anytime soon. But, by continuly using the new RFM to the letter, it should cut down on the number of women that are no bids and therefore in the quota addition pool.

AGDee · #25 06-21-2005, 06:17 AM

I got my new Green Book yesterday! Woohoo! I was excited

DeltaEtaKP · #26 07-11-2005, 08:55 PM

Sorry to bump... but I am confused and this came up in another forum.
So say from the example the range is between 38 and 42 or whatever...
So, it the quota that matches the largest number of PNM's to their #1 choice is 38, and there are five sororities, and quota the other way would be 40 (meaning there are 200 PNM's), Then wouldn't there be 10 girls left without a bid because quota is lower. I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, I just don't get it.

TxGirl · #27 07-12-2005, 09:11 PM

I would think though that if 10 women were left with only 5 chapters that they would probably up quota 1 to 39 if it would place three or four more women.

Quota additons would take care of a certain amount - if not all of the 10 (in theory). You also have to take into account that if a women intentional single prefs then she has less chance of being placed and she isn't eligible for quota additions. If 8 of the 10 were ISP that would skew your number of no bids a little b/c the women could have been placed if the had maximized their options.

tcsparky · #28 07-13-2005, 12:52 AM

OK, I understand that running the bid lists 7 times is fine when using a computer, but we do ours by hand. And it sometimes takes 2 hours. Does this mean that we would have to (potentially) do it 7 times by hand, at 2 hours per run-through? I can't picture myself doing that for 14 hours straight!!!!

How would Quota Range work with small quotas (5-12) and hand-matching?

CarolinaCutie · #29 07-13-2005, 08:11 AM

I'm not 100% sure... but remember, a lot of what takes time is the end, figuring out the right match for those girls who don't place easily. All of the #1/#1 matches should be pretty much the same, so hopefully you wouldn't have to spend a lot of precious time redoing those.

AGDLynn · #30 12-20-2005, 07:36 PM

Okay, there are updates so contact your appropriate NPC person, lol.

My email was 10 pages so I'm not posting, lol.