Florida courts, abortion rights of 13yo - Page 2

ADPi Conniebama · #16 05-02-2005, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by Coramoor
...so if a five year old is 'old enough' to have sex, she is old enough to deal with the consequences?

That is faulty logic if I ever heard it.

Wow, do realize that the consequence for a 5 year old having sex is pain not conception. 5 year old female bodies are not equipped to conceive. And, I personally don’t know of a 5 year old girl who has ever actually chosen to have sex..

So, who has the faulty logic.

KSigkid · #17 05-02-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by citydogisu
C> The Morality Police of Tallahassee suck balls. I hope twice as many hurricanes hit them this year.

Now that's a real mature approach to take; unfortunately I'm not surprised.

neonsparkles · #18 05-03-2005, 03:12 AM

No matter how you feel on abortion.... if the state of Florida does not require parental consent then how can they legally stop this girl from terminating her pregnancy?

This has always bothered me (forcing someone to have a child they do not want). This young girl will have to have some sort of prenatal care, deal with adoption agencies or try to figure out a way to support a baby. She will have huge hospital bills just to deliver the baby. She is thirteen years old, how is she supposed to pay for any of this? She states herself that she is only thirteen and living in a shelter. Where I live you can't even get a job until you are fourteen and then the options are limited. Also, isn't it endangering HER health to have a baby at the age of thirteen. What about the mother's welfare?

And where are all of these concerned persons when the baby is born and this child (she is only 13 after all) is trying to support another human life. It seems evident that she cannot take care of herself....... this is cruel and inhuman to the baby and mother more than an abortion would be, in my humble opinion

kstar · #19 05-03-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by ADPi Conniebama
Wow, do realize that the consequence for a 5 year old having sex is pain not conception. 5 year old female bodies are not equipped to conceive. And, I personally don’t know of a 5 year old girl who has ever actually chosen to have sex..

So, who has the faulty logic.

How do we know that the 13 year old did choose to have sex?

Maybe she wasn't raped, but there could have been coersion, or it was neccessary to survive?

No matter what, it's still statutory rape, so apparently the state doesn't think that she's old enough to be having sex.

I personally think that making her carry it to term is cruel and unusual punishment for both the 13 year old and the baby, who will also be a ward of the state.

Coramoor · #20 05-03-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by ADPi Conniebama
Wow, do realize that the consequence for a 5 year old having sex is pain not conception. 5 year old female bodies are not equipped to conceive. And, I personally don’t know of a 5 year old girl who has ever actually chosen to have sex..

So, who has the faulty logic.

It's not about conception-it's about maturity and neither a 5 year old nor a 13 year old is mature enough to make those decisions. Being able to have sex or get pregnant doesn't mean you are an adult.

sugar and spice · #21 05-03-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Coramoor
It's not about conception-it's about maturity and neither a 5 year old nor a 13 year old is mature enough to make those decisions. Being able to have sex or get pregnant doesn't mean you are an adult.

Where is your proof that the 13-year-old is not mature enough to make this decision? She sounded mature enough to me in the quotes from the article. She's clearly old enough to decide what she wants, arrange an appointment and transportation, and to argue the case for why she wants an abortion (all of which a 5-year-old would not be able to do).

I have major qualms about bringing a child that is so clearly unwanted into the world, especially since it will be born to a girl that's so young (which often leads to health complications in either the baby or the mother -- and health complications for the baby will hurt its chances for adoption).

Rudey · #22 05-03-2005, 04:43 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/03/na...rtner=homepage

Florida Drops Effort to Block Abortion for 13-Year-Old
By ABBY GOODNOUGH

Published: May 3, 2005

MIAMI, May 2 - The state of Florida abandoned today its efforts to keep a pregnant 13-year-old girl from having an abortion, a day after a circuit court judge ruled that the teenager, who is in state custody, had a right to end her pregnancy.

"There will be no further appeals and we will respectfully comply with the court's decision," Marilyn Munoz, a district manager for the state's Department of Children and Families, said in a written statement, according to The Associated Press.

The judge, Ronald Alvarez of Palm Beach County Circuit Court, who temporarily blocked the abortion last week, ruled on Monday that the girl was competent to make decisions regarding her pregnancy and had the right to do so under the state's Constitution.

-Rudey

Rudey · #23 05-03-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by sageofages

Of course they are going to deny her right/ability to terminate this pregnancy. Consider their track record on "culture of life" issues.....

You owe them an apology.

-Rudey

Rudey · #24 05-03-2005, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by KSigkid
Now that's a real mature approach to take; unfortunately I'm not surprised.

Because he's gay he feels "bitter" and because he feels "bitter" he feels he can make these kinds of statements.

-Rudey

sageofages · #25 05-03-2005, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
You owe them an apology.

-Rudey

Why? They went to court the first time to stop her access to terminating the pregancy. It was only after the court changed its opinion on appeal that the state is backing down.

They get no apology.

Rudey · #26 05-03-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by sageofages
Why? They went to court the first time to stop her access to terminating the pregancy. It was only after the court changed its opinion on appeal that the state is backing down.

They get no apology.

Because you were wrong. They didn't deny her anything. She is getting an abortion.

-Rudey

The Truth · #27 05-03-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by ADPi Conniebama
Wow, do realize that the consequence for a 5 year old having sex is pain not conception. 5 year old female bodies are not equipped to conceive. And, I personally don’t know of a 5 year old girl who has ever actually chosen to have sex..

So, who has the faulty logic.

5 year old girls don't even menstruate. So that comment is not faulty just full of ignorance.

qteasied · #28 05-03-2005, 06:09 PM

Does that baby deserve to be born knowing that its mom didn't want it, and that mom's 13, and that it's going to grow up in the system?

Why are people fighting for the right of this child to be born to a mother who neither wants it or is able to raise it? And, what happened to trying to fight teen pregnancy?

I think that this "culture of life" thing has gone waaaaay too far now...

Coramoor · #29 05-03-2005, 07:38 PM

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Does that baby deserve to be born knowing that its mom didn't want it, and that mom's 13, and that it's going to grow up in the system?

Why are people fighting for the right of this child to be born to a mother who neither wants it or is able to raise it? And, what happened to trying to fight teen pregnancy?

I think that this "culture of life" thing has gone waaaaay too far now...

Are you kidding me. Probably half the children born are a mistake or unwanted. I know that I'm the reason that my parents got married, and trust me I'm definitly happy that my parents went through with having me.

Fighting teen pregnancy isn't about giving abortions to teens that get pregnant. Ever hear of coming up with a solution-not just fixing the problem...?

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5 year old girls don't even menstruate. So that comment is not faulty just full of ignorance.

The ignorance I see displayed is the fact that you ignore the argument and take something that isn't even important and disagree with that.

"...well, I'm not going to disagree with the actual logic, I'm just going to pick something out that's totally inane and say that person is wrong b/c of that"

GeekyPenguin · #30 05-04-2005, 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by Coramoor
Are you kidding me. Probably half the children born are a mistake or unwanted. I know that I'm the reason that my parents got married, and trust me I'm definitly happy that my parents went through with having me.

Fighting teen pregnancy isn't about giving abortions to teens that get pregnant. Ever hear of coming up with a solution-not just fixing the problem...?

The ignorance I see displayed is the fact that you ignore the argument and take something that isn't even important and disagree with that.

"...well, I'm not going to disagree with the actual logic, I'm just going to pick something out that's totally inane and say that person is wrong b/c of that"

I will disagree with your actual logic.

Paragraph one: "I'm definitely happy my parents went through with having me." If your parents hadn't had you, you wouldn't have known - you wouldn't have existed. You cannot state the corollary that you are sad your parent's didn't have you, because you would not know!

Paragraph 2: People are trying to find solutions. Unfortunately, this government frowns on anything but abstinence only sex ed. Look where that got us: Pregnant children.