More Chico: Phi Tau's making porn

[exlurker]

Originally posted by texas*princess
Yep I agree... I think at this point shutting down the fraternity system could potentially increase the problem beyond the school's control.

With all the stuff going on, I'm not sure if any nationals would want to colonize b/c of all the things going on recently.

I haven't been keeping up with what the school admin. is doing to the individuals involved in the hazing incidents, but they need to show the students they mean business ... maybe even if they have to make an example of someone. Does the school have some kind of code of conduct or something? When stuff like this happens (even though this particular incident doesn't really sound like hazing) not only does it make Greeks in general, and Greeks on the campus look bad, but it reflects poorly on the school as well. (at least in my opinion)

CSU-Chico has established some task forces and has hired a consultant, according to the local (not student) paper in an article about factual errors in another paper's story. Golly, what more could anyone ask? To be fair and realistic, of course, the university almost surely has to tread carefully and act only after getting sound legal -- and political -- advice,

http://www.chicoer.com/Stories/0,141...789273,00.html

. . . .Right now, perceptions are important to Chico State. The university is mandated to increase its enrollment by 212 percent next year as part of the California State University system's compact with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Zingg [the president of the university] said the university has made all of its offers to potential students and is now waiting for responses. Tuesday's story won't help, he added.

"It comes at a terrible time," he said. "It will likely dissuade students and their parents from selecting Chico as their college of choice."

Officials don't deny that there are problems within the Greek system. While the author notes the community's disgust with the acts that led to Carrington's death, Zingg said an obvious omission is the response from the university.

Task forces have been formed and are beginning to meet; the university brought in a consultant who has a year-long contract for a week's stay. . . .

[33girl]

Originally posted by exlurker
. . . .Right now, perceptions are important to Chico State. The university is mandated to increase its enrollment by 212 percent next year as part of the California State University system's compact with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

212 percent?? That sounds insane. Are they hiring enough faculty and building enough housing to accomodate that?

[ZTAngel]

Random question:
Which one is correct: Chico State University or California State University - Chico? I'm seeing both being used.

[kddani]

don't know why, but the Pitt News felt the need to write an editorial opinion about this
http://www.pittnews.com/vnews/displa.../424b821616922

[Rudey]

Originally posted by 33girl
212 percent?? That sounds insane. Are they hiring enough faculty and building enough housing to accomodate that?

Yeah I am wondering how many of the Greeks have private housing since that would make it really difficult to break down the system if they house students for the school.

-Rudey

[TSteven]

Originally posted by ZTAngel
Random question:
Which one is correct: Chico State University or California State University - Chico? I'm seeing both being used.

The official name is The California State University, Chico. However, Chico State is commonly used since the CSU system is made up 23 campuses.

CSU Campuses

California State University Bakersfield
California State University Channel Islands
California State University Chico
California State University Dominguez Hills
California State University East Bay
California State University Fresno
California State University Fullerton
Humboldt State University
California State University Long Beach
California State University Los Angeles
California Maritime Academy
California State University Monterey Bay
California State University Northridge
California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
California State University Sacramento
California State University San Bernardino
San Diego State University
San Francisco State University
San Jose State University
California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
California State University San Marcos
Sonoma State University
California State University Stanislaus

Map of CSU Campus Locations

Note: The CSU is a separate system than the University of California system.

UC Campuses

Berkeley
Davis
Irvine
Los Angeles
Merced (opens Fall 2005)
Riverside
San Diego
San Francisco
Santa Barbara
Santa Cruz

[TSteven]

Originally posted by kddani
don't know why, but the Pitt News felt the need to write an editorial opinion about this
http://www.pittnews.com/vnews/displa.../424b821616922

Given the current situation at Chico, a somewhat supportive editorial.

Step number one for Chico administration is to stay focused on what the problem is -- hazing -- and not any and all questionable behavior that fraternity members engage in.

And the last three paragraphs.

The university has every right to take some disciplinary action. But it seems, given Chico's fraternity system track record, the administration is jaded in its judgment.

If any punishment should be given at all, it ought to come from the national chapter of Phi Kappa Tau, which has already suspended the school chapter and is investigating the incident before taking any next steps.

At its core, the concept of fraternal organizations is a positive thing. They bring people together, perform service activities and sponsor philanthropic and social events. They should be punished for illegal behavior like hazing, not a harmless porn.

[exlurker]

At a special event on campus (Wed. Mar. 30, 2005) the executive director of Theta Chi told an audience of CSU-Chico Greeks that the Greek system at Chico is "hanging on by a thread." The student paper's story is at

http://www.orion-online.net/vnews/di.../424b8bed101c4

[TSteven]

Originally posted by exlurker
At a special event on campus (Wed. Mar. 30, 2005) the executive director of Theta Chi told an audience of CSU-Chico Greeks that the Greek system at Chico is "hanging on by a thread." The student paper's story is at

http://www.orion-online.net/vnews/di.../424b8bed101c4

Excellent quotes by Mr. Westol.

The worst members of a chapter are usually the ones who haze, Westol said.

“The loudest, most vocal proponents of hazing are the biggest idiots in the chapter,” Westol said.

and...

Even though he has heard comments about there being only a small number of Greeks who haze, Westol said the non-hazing majority have to control the system.

“You live those consequences.”

[Tom Earp]

Isnt it the old saying,

"If The Foo Shits, Then One Must Wear it"?

If the Greeks are so out of control, then where is the IHQs who Normaly work with Colleges or is it a College trying to Prove Who is Boss?

Seems to be a total break down of communication somewhere.

Who is pissing on whose wheaties this week?

[LXAAlum]

Originally posted by TSteven
Excellent quotes by Mr. Westol.

Has Mr. Westol been Theta Chi's director for a long time? I recall a video seminar I watched once where the director for Theta Chi railed against hazing - he was very engaging. I remember his quote: "If you think hazing is so great, why don't you advertise it during rush? 'Rush our fraternity, we'll beat the (snot) out of you!'"

[TSteven]

Originally posted by LXAAlum
Has Mr. Westol been Theta Chi's director for a long time? I recall a video seminar I watched once where the director for Theta Chi railed against hazing - he was very engaging. I remember his quote: "If you think hazing is so great, why don't you advertise it during rush? 'Rush our fraternity, we'll beat the (snot) out of you!'"

I don't know how long Mr. Westol has served. But according to the Theta Chi web site, Mr. Westol is still their Executive Director.

I have heard that quote before as well. Yet I believe that a different four letter word - starting with *s* - was was used instead of 'snot'.

[33girl]

PSK 480, where are you? I know you want to comment on this

[AlphaPhiBubbles]

To answer some questions:

I was wrong in my first post, as you all probably know some members were involved. Its gross, I've seen the trailer.

There is no university housing for greeks at Chico State.

From my many discussions with other chico greeks, I feel that if the university decided to not recognize any greek system, it wouldn't necesarily mean we'd all disappear and it doesn't mean all of our international or national governing bodies will take away our charters (although some might).

It does mean that we will not go down without a fight, though. For a while we would try to uphold our core values and not be drunken retards and continue with dry rush, etc. But after a while competition during rush and for parties and such will get out of hand and it will end up being more of a problem.

This stuff WILL NOT disappear if Zingg kicks us out, it will get worse.

We have had a consultant (who I have personally met with) who seems like he is going to be a REALLY big help to all the org.'s.

other than that, its kind of getting to the point where some people have attitidues like "oh well they expect us to be stupid so it doesnt matter either way...we're getting kicked off either way...so I'm going to get blacked out and break shit."

we need support for the things we do right as well as reprimand for the things we do wrong. I guess we'll see when greek week rolls around.

[hoosier]

A Letter to the editor

April 02, 2005 - 12:03:06 AM PST

No right to suspend fraternity


The university violated the laws of the land when they suspended the Phi Kappa Tau fraternity for filming an X-rated film in their private residence. The individual members of the fraternity have the right to form their own association. The university cannot pick and chose which associations to recognize and allow use of state facilities. This clearly is the law of the country the right of association. The U.S. Supreme court in Healy vs. James clearly defined this.

The court in this case sets out circumstances where this right of association may be interrupted. The university must find the fraternity guilty of violating a published valid campus rule (law). Further the university must provide due process.

Citizens of this country have the right of privacy. What valid campus rule did these citizens violate in the privacy of their own home? The state of California needs to get out of the bedrooms of these citizens.



In this case the university has violated the law. They have interfered with the fraternity members' right of association. The president of the university or any member of the university has the right and perhaps the obligation to comment but not the legal right to take any other action.

President Paul Zingg should immediately lift the suspension of the fraternity and apologize to its members and the community for his actions.

Charles W. Preusser, Chico