HBGL Members: Do We Have To Be Tolerant? (Same Rules Apply)

[Jody]

>>Like for instance, if a woman in one of our orgs was outwardly professing to do something that we think is negative, and not hiding the fact that she is a member of our org, do you think that as good members we say "to each her own," or as good members, do we shun that behavior if its a negative reflection on the organization?<<

does that type of behavior qualify as ethical and moral?!

But to answer your question, NO HBGL Orgs DON'T HAVE TO BE TOLERANT!

The Supreme Court reaffirmed this right when they handed a victory to the Boy Scouts a few years ago. The right of free assembly, one that is outlined in the Bill of Rights, means you get to SELECT whom you want to hang out with.

I chose not to hang out with people who sell pharmaceuticals illegally, does that mean that I'm discriminating...HELL YEAH (of course, some may chose not to hang out with me cuz I can't spell)

[AKA_Monet]

Originally posted by SummerChild
That's why I posed this question to really get other's views on whether others thought that doing behavior that some may deem negative is something to be seen as "to each his/her own" or soemthing to be shunned. I was basically asking about behavior that is deemed by general society to be behavior that is not good.

We have folks that get "married in reverse, accidently, on purpose"... Have the child first to get the man to marry them... Sometimes it works for them, many times it doesn't... How do we promote a "Healthy Family Mentality" when deceptive practices were implemented to have a family in the first place?

Deception is not general society behavior that leads to good...

But folks do it...

Dr. Joyce Brothers just wrote an article in Parade Magazine about the virtues of having "shame"... That "shame" in and of itself is not neccessarily a bad thing when used appropriately--i.e. not used to denigrate another human being (usually a child) to be submissive to the another's will (usually a parent). Shame used appropriately can be teach children these lessons they need to know right from wrong--at least that is what she says...

And nowadays, what is good behavior? Doing what the authorities tell you? Or what a "Good Book" tells you or ELSE? How do I know what I have done is wrong?

In a completely secular society, devoid of religiousity, how come murder is wrong? How did these capital crime punishment laws develop?

[Steeltrap]

^^
In the past, there have been threads that have been tailored to NPHC members (I'm thinking of Greek Decline) and they haven't, shall we say, ruffled people's feathers.

I think all of this came about because certain users don't know the protocol to request a person's removal. It's called PM the admin, because John is the only person who can remove folks from the site, if he so chooses.

Moderators can't ban people. How many times have folks said this?

[ladygreek]

Whoa AKA_Monet, That was deep!

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by Steeltrap
^^
In the past, there have been threads that have been tailored to NPHC members (I'm thinking of Greek Decline) and they haven't, shall we say, ruffled people's feathers.

I think all of this came about because certain users don't know the protocol to request a person's removal. It's called PM the admin, because John is the only person who can remove folks from the site, if he so chooses.

Moderators can't ban people. How many times have folks said this?

EXACTLY!

[Steeltrap]

Originally posted by ladygreek
EXACTLY!

Thanks for the shout, and for what you said in the other thread about taking the individual to task with discretion.

I ignore the source of controversy because I don't come to GC to deal with those issues -- there are other venues for that.

I come here to interact with my sorors and other Greeks.

[Jody]

Thanks Ladygreek for having my back!

[starang21]

i don't want a gay brother of mine promoting homosexuality and my organization at the same time. he can do that on his own time. my organization wasn't founded in order to promote homosexuality, therefore the two should be separate.

gay members know that the majority of the membership does not share their lifestyle, and many of them look down upon it. right or wrong, ignorant or whatever...that's the way it is. they know this prior to joining. therefore, they have ample warning on how they are going to be percieved or whether or not they're going to be accepted by the general membership. if they truly love what we symbolize, then harsh words on the net shouldn't break their spirit.

to answer the question...would i vote in an interest who was openly gay?


NO.

i don't agree with the lifestyle, so why should i want this person representing me and my principles? we're human, and we're hypocrites. we choose what we want to follow. this is one of those things that i don't cast a blind eye to.

would i accept a gay brother?

YES. a bruh is a bruh is a bruh. period.

i don't agree with what he does, but as long as it's on his time and not frat time....then i won't have a problem.

[AKA2D '91]

Since I will be out of town tomorrow and Ideal is out of town, this thread will be closed until I return online Thursday afternoon.

Sorors, SisterandBrotherGreeks, Please keep your comments until then. I WILL re-open the thread on Thursday afternoon. That way I will be able "monitor" the thread.

Thanks for choosing not to address those who are not members of HBGLOs that chose to infiltrate.

[SummerChild]

Soror those are interesting points.
In your mind, should deception be shunned as much as negative behavior that can be seen outwardly? It is interesting b/c it seems that many in many of our orgs may do things that we are more willing to tolerate because it doesn't come to light. For instance, I recall a man in a BGLO saying once that his fraternity brothers were wrong for not being faithful to their wives but as long as it didn't come to light, like, say alcoholism, it was more accepted because of the fact that it was not apparent and therefore did not *outwardly* cast a negative light on the organization.

SC

Originally posted by AKA_Monet
We have folks that get "married in reverse, accidently, on purpose"... Have the child first to get the man to marry them... Sometimes it works for them, many times it doesn't... How do we promote a "Healthy Family Mentality" when deceptive practices were implemented to have a family in the first place?

Deception is not general society behavior that leads to good...

But folks do it...

Dr. Joyce Brothers just wrote an article in Parade Magazine about the virtues of having "shame"... That "shame" in and of itself is not neccessarily a bad thing when used appropriately--i.e. not used to denigrate another human being (usually a child) to be submissive to the another's will (usually a parent). Shame used appropriately can be teach children these lessons they need to know right from wrong--at least that is what she says...

And nowadays, what is good behavior? Doing what the authorities tell you? Or what a "Good Book" tells you or ELSE? How do I know what I have done is wrong?

In a completely secular society, devoid of religiousity, how come murder is wrong? How did these capital crime punishment laws develop?

[DELTABRAT]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91


I KNOW you're not saying Alphas are losers. I"m sure you're saying that your ex-boyfriend, who just happened to be an Alpha is a loser.

Correct

[AKA_Monet]

Originally posted by SummerChild
Soror those are interesting points.
In your mind, should deception be shunned as much as negative behavior that can be seen outwardly? It is interesting b/c it seems that many in many of our orgs may do things that we are more willing to tolerate because it doesn't come to light. For instance, I recall a man in a BGLO saying once that his fraternity brothers were wrong for not being faithful to their wives but as long as it didn't come to light, like, say alcoholism, it was more accepted because of the fact that it was not apparent and therefore did not *outwardly* cast a negative light on the organization.

SC

Oh what webs we weave when we first try, try to deceive...

What comes around goes around... It is that circular reasoning that many in the minds of those of African descent use...

Eventually, those that are deceptive will get caught, one way or another...

Dude that cheats on his wife may be able to hide it from her, but what if he passes HIV to his wife and she is faithful???

See, folks are always trying to "buck" the system, surpass living life as a season... Life does not move in that form... I wish that it did, alas, we have to live through it...

Lemme put it to you like this: You are arguing issues of PRINCIPALITIES... Spiritual issues. There are a lot of bad Spirits among us. What we must do, is surround and bathe ourselves with the good and enriching Spirits, while living a selfless life... That is hard to do when we are circling the Wheel of Life and stay in one zone for too long... Our kind of folks have a tendancy to do that, often...

How do we transcend it? By calling on a power greater than us... We are incapable of solely doing it on our own... We need that belief of transcendance to KNOW that somehow, what we are here on Earth for is making difference... That is our lot in life as humans...

Most folks live in denial... And remember, DENIAL is not just a river in Egypt...