Christian Fraternity Sues To Keep Out Gays

[slickwilly95991]

Originally posted by HelloKitty22
I agree. It sounds like these people want school recognition (like access to university facilities) and school money (like from student activity fees). A lot of schools will not give money or access to school facilities to groups which are not open (the thinking is that a student's money shouldn't go to a group they can't be a member of). That's how it was at both of the universities I went to. Even groups which seemed like they would be exclusionary (like the women's organization) couldn't refuse membership to someone not a member of their group without agreeing to give up school funding.
At a lot of schools greek organizations don't get university funds specifically for this reason.

I can understand a university's view of no money to the organization, but access to facilities is for students, not necessarily organizations. I could go and reserve a room at school and use it. I can even say, no one can come into the room while I am using it. The only justification for not allowing me access to the room is if I am going to do something illegal or if there is a lack of facilities and a certain number of students want to use the same facility, the majority will get it.

[alphaalpha]

A university here in washington has different statusus (SP) available to different types of clubs. The university does not have a greek system so i dont know how the rules would apply, but with religious groups the status that they have is that they can use campus facilities, can get access to having space on the university web site (maybe with some type of restirictions like they cant spread hate or something) they can get access to having a campus phone number and mail box and money for advertising, but not a lot of money. They can petition the residence hall association for some funding if they want to hold a philanthropy project or something that could be seen as university wide, ie non religious but sponsored by a religious organization. I personally think that is a good idea. then the groups can exsist but not have do deal with some of these issues. However, i really have never heard of religious groups who outwardly will not allow homosexuals, even thought the campus is pretty liberal.

[MissMonika]

Originally posted by moe.ron
GLO get funding? We couldn't get funding because we restrict membership.

In some cases, If some University uses student, state, or federal funds to pay for events, All Student Organizations would be eligible for funding. This is so all organizations can do quality programs.

[Xanthuos]

My contention is basically the opposite of the Groucho Marx quote...

"I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members." - Groucho

Why would any gay person want to be a member of a club that actively would not want them as a member? I say recognize the fraternity as a student organization, allow them limited use of school facilities, but limit their receipt of any school funds to events which benefit the university community as a whole.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Xanthuos

Why would any gay person want to be a member of a club that actively would not want them as a member?

See "self-hating gay".

Maybe their goal would be to take that practice to a whole new level?

[Tom Earp]

"Hi, I am a good Christian Organization and want to be recognized so We can get Schools funding.

Oh, We dont allow anyone who is Gay, Black, Brown, of what ever!

If you do not agree with us, We will Sue You!

""" SCREW THEM""""!

That is all!

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

Originally posted by Xanthuos
My contention is basically the opposite of the Groucho Marx quote...

"I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members." - Groucho

Why would any gay person want to be a member of a club that actively would not want them as a member?

something something- get to the back of the bus
something something- segregation now, segregation forever
something something

[HelloKitty22]

Originally posted by Xanthuos
Why would any gay person want to be a member of a club that actively would not want them as a member?

I don't really think that whether any gay person wants to join is relevant. The school is not responding to a group or even an individual student who wants to join. Rather, they are responding to the very idea that a university, a place which hopefully is striving for inclusion and integration within its student body, should be supporting and organization which excludes certain students.

I am not saying that all groups which are exclusionary are inherently bad or that people don't have a right to choose whom they associate with, but there is an issue as to how much they should be supported by a school, particularly a state school. Even recognition is an endorsement, at least on some level, by the school of this organization and by extention their policy of discrimination.

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Iconoclastic
Gay is a CHOICE and that is a PROVEN FACT.

Site your articles please.

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

Originally posted by Iconoclastic
You cannot be gay and a Christian at the same time.

False.

[HelloKitty22]

Originally posted by Iconoclastic
Christians have specific rights. You may not agree with them, but the time to stand up is now. Gay is a CHOICE and that is a PROVEN FACT. You cannot be gay and a Christian at the same time. You may in sone other religion. The Christians' truth differs from anothers' truth. That does not mean we have to bow to another. As for your silly analogy about skin color; how many CHOSE their ethnic group and color? Alpha Iota Omega should not have even had to sue. I knew this was coming three years ago at Chapel Hill because of THEIR NO TOLERANCE policy. If it is REALLY all about DIVERSITY, then they ought to be able to choose their membership.

You apparently didn't read my post very closely. I didn't say that this organization or any organization has to let in gays. What I did say is that UNC and by extention the State of North Carolina doesn't have to recognize it or give money to it.

No one is saying you have to "bow to another." What we're saying is if you choose not to "bow to another" you have to pay for your own club and find your own space to meet but you can't use UNC money or UNC facilities and you can't call yourself a UNC club!!!

[kddani]

Originally posted by Iconoclastic
Gay is a CHOICE and that is a PROVEN FACT.

To my knowledge, you don't have a medical degree, so i'd like to know what medical doctor proved this.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by Iconoclastic
Christians have specific rights. You may not agree with them, but the time to stand up is now. Gay is a CHOICE and that is a PROVEN FACT. You cannot be gay and a Christian at the same time.

..Everyone else has those same rights.

..Why would anyone stand up for something they don't believe?

..That "fact" is not proven -- medicine believes the opposite.

..So much for the "all loving" God. The one I was taught about and believe in loves and accepts all.

To me, this is not Christianity. At least not as I understand it.

[33girl]

HI FRED!!!

Harvey Fierstein called, you left your panties at his house.

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by Iconoclastic
Christians have specific rights. You may not agree with them, but the time to stand up is now. Gay is a CHOICE and that is a PROVEN FACT. You cannot be gay and a Christian at the same time. You may in sone other religion. The Christians' truth differs from anothers' truth. That does not mean we have to bow to another. As for your silly analogy about skin color; how many CHOSE their ethnic group and color? Alpha Iota Omega should not have even had to sue. I knew this was coming three years ago at Chapel Hill because of THEIR NO TOLERANCE policy. If it is REALLY all about DIVERSITY, then they ought to be able to choose their membership.

Congratulations! There are so many things wrong with this statement, I don't know where to start.