Tri Delta Will Close Princeton Chapter

[kddani]

Originally posted by goldendelta
I wonder that myself, because our chapter was at 14 at one point and EO didn't close us.

but was it that low for nine years?

By saying "at one point" that means that you went back up again.

[goldendelta]

Originally posted by kddani
but was it that low for nine years?

By saying "at one point" that means that you went back up again.

It did go back up after I graduated. We just happened to be at a low point then.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by Rudey
I have to ask this. If the numbers are low in a chapter, why is it a financial drain?

It's a good question. The biggest part is staff time spent. I would assume that Tri-Delta has chapter consultants who travel to chapters/colonies, etc. Plus materials and other stuff.

It takes more advising time to support a sturggling chapter at all levels of the national organization.

That's why we, at least, have minimum numbers for a colony to become a chapter.

I would guess that every organization has figured out the minimum number necessary to keep the group at at least a break even.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
It's a good question. The biggest part is staff time spent. I would assume that Tri-Delta has chapter consultants who travel to chapters/colonies, etc. Plus materials and other stuff.

It takes more advising time to support a sturggling chapter at all levels of the national organization.

That's why we, at least, have minimum numbers for a colony to become a chapter.

I would guess that every organization has figured out the minimum number necessary to keep the group at at least a break even.

So basically you are saying that it is the consultants and advisors that travel to a chapter that are a drain financially. I don't know how often your advisors travel to a chapter and from where. I don't know how you support them. I do know that a portion of our dues went to support our national office and that effort. I also do know that smaller chapters get less visits and attention than larger "prize" chapters. I also know that a 200 man chapter probably gives more money to support advisors and consultants than it receives.

All fraternities and sororities have minimums I thought. We do too. I don't know if I've ever heard that minimum be linked to "not being a financial drain". Has someone actually stated that to you? I always heard that it was an issue of stability. A 10 man chapter can fold overnight if members get into an argument even, a 40 man chapter can hold itself together a lot better, distribute tasks better, grow if it needs to, etc.

-Rudey

[Jill1228]

Sad for the girls at Princeton. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy, but I guess their EO had their reasons....

[PhiPsiRuss]

A problem chapter is a greater drain on resources than a chapter that has its act together. Most of the increased resources being expended are labor (and associated expenses.) Most of this labor is in the form of traveling consultants.

In the case of Tri-Delta's Princeton chapter, if the problem is low numbers, than it costs far more to service this chapter than it does a 150+ woman chapter that is well run.

The public reason that this chapter is being closed is numbers. I don't believe this, but I can't prove that there is more to it. I'm with 33girl. On the surface, this doesn't make sense. You just don't shut down a chapter at Princeton. Tri-Delta has the resources to to revive any chapter, provided that the chapter can be revived.

Whatever the full story is, its best for it to remain between Tri-Deltas.

[sugar and spice]

The issue, as I understand it, is entirely financial. The chapter was taking up more money than it was bringing in. It sucks to have a sisterhood close for such a practical reason, but unfortunately that's what it comes down to. If risk management issues were the problem, our HQ would not hesitate to say so.

I would not be surprised if Tri Delta HQ was looking at the long-term picture here -- planning to recolonize in a few years if numbers at Princeton stay at a relatively high level.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by Rudey
So basically you are saying that it is the consultants and advisors that travel to a chapter that are a drain financially.

Actually, every chapter in the Fraternity get's at least two visits from a chapter consultant each school year, along with one visit from a Delts Talk About Alcohol (paid) intern. They drive from chapter to chapter, and their salaries and expenses are paid.

The chapters who are having problems are likely to get more visits to help with recruitment, etc.

In addition, those chapters are more likely to be behind in their dues and bills which also takes more staff time and other resources.

So the struggling chapters really are a bigger drain than the others.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Actually, every chapter in the Fraternity get's at least two visits from a chapter consultant each school year, along with one visit from a Delts Talk About Alcohol (paid) intern. They drive from chapter to chapter, and their salaries and expenses are paid.

The chapters who are having problems are likely to get more visits to help with recruitment, etc.

In addition, those chapters are more likely to be behind in their dues and bills which also takes more staff time and other resources.

So the struggling chapters really are a bigger drain than the others.

Right but if your 200 man chapters are subsidizing them what are they a drain on? The 200 man chapters are not getting their money's worth then...

-Rudey

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by Rudey
Right but if your 200 man chapters are subsidizing them what are they a drain on? The 200 man chapters are not getting their money's worth then...

-Rudey

The 200 man chapter might be the one that is the drain. Its the problem chapters, which are not necessarily small chapters, that are draining resources.

[shadokat]

In sororities, chapters pay different insurance rates depending on their housing situation. For instance, if you have no housing, you pay less than a chapter who lives in a suite or campus housing designated for the sororities, and the chapters that are housed in structures owned by the organization pay more I think. So while you may pay by the sister, the liability of housing will change that $ figure per sister.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
The 200 man chapter might be the one that is the drain. Its the problem chapters, which are not necessarily small chapters, that are draining resources.

I personally think that no chapter is a drain.

But I think chapters that would require a lot of attention can be more costly.

-It can be more costly to start a new colony and help them get up to speed.
-It can be more costly to keep that 200 man chapter from hazing and being in the news.
-It can be more costly to purchase that medium sized chapter a house (Right after being a tiny colony and before they are a 200 man chapter)

The way it looks to me, there are no drains and there is a cost to everything and everyone. If I had to guess, I would think a 10 man chapter would be cheapter to maintain than a 200 man chapter, but I'm guessing just like the rest of the folks out there.

-Rudey

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by Rudey
I personally think that no chapter is a drain.

I disagree with this. If a chapter decides to engage in activities that cause a pledge to be hospitalized, an HQ might have to quickly mobilize resources. This might mean canceling a colonization presentation with a desirable host institution. It could mean that a colonization effort is delayed, or canceled. It might mean that a recruitment retreat, for a struggling chapter, is delayed by a semester or two.

In the case of a perenially struggling chapter, that is otherwise behaving well, it might need HQ staff on campus every few years to keep it alive. Again, this means that staff is being diverted from other activities that would strengthen the entire organization.

No GLO is so flush with resources that it can handle all challenges with the attention that each deserves. What the executive level of a GLO has to deal with is triage. Who gets the resources to live, to die, and to be born.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
I disagree with this. If a chapter decides to engage in activities that cause a pledge to be hospitalized, an HQ might have to quickly mobilize resources. This might mean canceling a colonization presentation with a desirable host institution. It could mean that a colonization effort is delayed, or canceled. It might mean that a recruitment retreat, for a struggling chapter, is delayed by a semester or two.

In the case of a perenially struggling chapter, that is otherwise behaving well, it might need HQ staff on campus every few years to keep it alive. Again, this means that staff is being diverted from other activities that would strengthen the entire organization.

No GLO is so flush with resources that it can handle all challenges with the attention that each deserves. What the executive level of a GLO has to deal with is triage. Who gets the resources to live, to die, and to be born.

So basically large party school chapters and small colony/stale chapters are drains, but the middle ones are not drains?

-Rudey

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by Rudey
So basically large party school chapters and small colony/stale chapters are drains, but the middle ones are not drains?

-Rudey

I never said, nor implied that. I said that problem chapters are drains, and that they come on all shapes and sizes. Thankfully, they're rare.