Global Poll Shows Negative Reaction to Bush Win

[AGDee]

One of the things that makes this country great is that we are allowed to question the policies of our elected officials. If we STOP questioning the things that we don't believe in, then we give them absolute power to do whatever they want. Someone being elected does not mean that they can now do anything they want with their powers. We have a checks and balances system in place for a reason. We have a vote for a reason. To say "Well, 52% of the people liked him so I have to just accept whatever he wants to do" is ludicrous and directly against Liberty and Freedom. It doesn't matter which party they associate with or who they are. No intelligent person would blindly go along with everything someone else does simply because a majority elected him.

As for Rice, if Kerry had NOT voted against her confirmation, everybody would have jumped on the "see, he's waffling" bandwagon because he has expressed his dislike of her opinions numerous times.


Dee

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
What- we're supposed to fucking keel over dead because the war-mongering religious nut homophobes are in power?

No, you're supposed to continue to make absurd, overbearing, sweeping generalizations that make you no better than the people you hate.

Congratulations, you set your own party back decades. Someday I hope some people understand this concept; at its heart, I'll argue the election turned on this phenomenon.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
What- we're supposed to fucking keel over dead because the war-mongering religious nut homophobes are in power?

Remember when you wanted most of America bombed and its citizens massacred?

Shutup.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Munchkin03
Who cheered when the Twin Towers fell? The only footage or news that I ever read about people cheering were the extremists. Entire governments? Large populations of Western nations? Let's see proof.

I'm not sure if you remember, but the people in the planes and in the buildings were not all natural born American citizens. As much as we'd like to say it was an American tragedy, it affected the entire world.

Actually one example is from the West Bank and Gaza. Those weren't terrorists in the street dancing and handing out candy. Those were women, children, men, everyone. In fact the government became a partner in it by not only not stopping it but allowing it to occur. While the "celebrations" were occuring, Arafat ordered PA security forces to round up any and all reporters and to make sure no images were captured; of course he couldn't stop everyone. Reporters were outraged and the free press issued an angry response.

-Rudey

[RUgreek]

Originally posted by Munchkin03
Who cheered when the Twin Towers fell? The only footage or news that I ever read about people cheering were the extremists. Entire governments? Large populations of Western nations? Let's see proof.

I'm not sure if you remember, but the people in the planes and in the buildings were not all natural born American citizens. As much as we'd like to say it was an American tragedy, it affected the entire world.

I cannot provide a link to any english website that proudly displays that crap, go look for it yourself. I saw the footage on the news of people dancing in the streets, burning our flag right after the tragedy.

Yea the people in the planes were not all Americans, but the people in the towers were. The tragedy had positive and negative effects, but the rest of the world put on a show for a few months to show their sympathy. Most were genuinely sorry, but there were still some arab nations that were happy to see us finally get hit.

Not to mention that even here at home we had foreigners dancing in the streets and burning flags after the disaster. If the police didn't show up to guard those assholes they'd be dead right now.

[RUgreek]

Originally posted by AGDee
As for Rice, if Kerry had NOT voted against her confirmation, everybody would have jumped on the "see, he's waffling" bandwagon because he has expressed his dislike of her opinions numerous times.

Another great reason why the man was not fit for the job of President. Just what we need, a guy who is more concerned about public opinion rather than doing the right thing.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by RUgreek
Yea the people in the planes were not all Americans, but the people in the towers were. The tragedy had positive and negative effects, but the rest of the world put on a show for a few months to show their sympathy. Most were genuinely sorry, but there were still some arab nations that were happy to see us finally get hit.

Wow... do a little research before you think about stating that all the people in the Towers were Americans... I thought around 2/3rds were, but the others were all foreign nationals...

Yes most of the world was genuinely sorry, it's just to bad that BuSh squandered all of the international sympathy with his arrogant policies and rhetoric... or even failure to acknowledge support of sympathy until it suited his politcal agenda

[Rudey]

Originally posted by RACooper
Wow... do a little research before you think about stating that all the people in the Towers were Americans... I thought around 2/3rds were, but the others were all foreign nationals...

Yes most of the world was genuinely sorry, it's just to bad that BuSh squandered all of the international sympathy with his arrogant policies and rhetoric... or even failure to acknowledge support of sympathy until it suited his politcal agenda

One man does not dictate everything. Americans voted for him. Many leaders stood behind him from both majority parties and supported our country.

Please take a breather and stop insulting us. It's getting old.

-Rudey

[RUgreek]

Originally posted by RACooper
Wow... do a little research before you think about stating that all the people in the Towers were Americans... I thought around 2/3rds were, but the others were all foreign nationals...

Where's your research to back that up? My proof is that if you are here in this country and working (like in the towers) then you are an American citizen. Show me all the illegal aliens working in the towers on Sept. 11th.

[Greekgrrl]

Technically, you can be here in this country and legally working and not be an American citizen. They're legal immigrants. That's why we have the distinction.

I believe at the time I heard that the World Trade Center attacks caused the deaths of the most British citizens at one time since the Blitz (London, WWII).

So, while I understand your claiming of the disaster as an American tragedy, the sorrow and loss was legitimately felt by many other nations' losing their own citizens, too.

ETA: for example, from CNN, 9/13/01
http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/2001/f...attack.latest/

# Nations across the globe are reporting dead and missing in the U.S. terror attacks. British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said Thursday at least 100 British citizens have been confirmed dead in the U.S. terror attacks. Acting Australian Prime Minister John Anderson said three Australians in New York have been confirmed dead and about 75 were still missing. Japan reports that it has 100 nationals still unaccounted for. Twenty-seven South Koreans were listed as missing. One Korean was on the hijacked United Airlines plane from Boston. Notimex, the Mexican news agency, is reporting at least 12 Mexicans cannot be accounted for. There were 100 to 150 Mexicans working at the World Trade Center.

[mu_agd]

Originally posted by RUgreek
My proof is that if you are here in this country and working (like in the towers) then you are an American citizen.

yeah i'm going to have to vote no on that one.

[hoosier]

The poll's sponsor, the poll's conductors, the weather, the questions, and dozens of other things affect results.

If you conducted a poll like this:

1 - Do you like the supplies and aid that the USA has sent to the Tsunami victims?

2 - Do you like the Jerry Lewis movies that the USA made?

3 - Do you like the USA?

I suspect the results would be 88% or more like the USA.

The two firms that did the Nov. election exit polls said yesterday that the problems were caused by poorly trained pollsters, young pollsters, election officials who kept pollsters away from poll exits, etc. etc.

Another contributor is disgust. A lot of people are tired of polls making news, and deliberately lie to pollsters.

Most polling is a joke.

[RUgreek]

Look, I'm not going to sit here and argue that everyone in this country is a legal citizen. Don't get so literal. The issue was the nationality of people killed in the world trade center, which of course is another example of a post being diverted off from it's original topic.

Yes, we have illegal aliens working in this country, but in the towers that morning at 9a.m. we have a high percentage of legal workers.

As for the make up of the victims, I never said that 100% of them were Americans. Yes, I know we had chinese, british, asian and whatever nationals working in the towers. The majority of victims were Americans and no I'm not trying to downplay the non-American victims.

Just stick to the point I was trying to make. Other countries were happy to see the towers fall and America suffer. Therefore if other countries want to react negatively to the re-election of our President, then I personal don't give a hoot.

[AGDee]

Originally posted by RUgreek
Another great reason why the man was not fit for the job of President. Just what we need, a guy who is more concerned about public opinion rather than doing the right thing.

He did the right thing in voting against her confirmation. He has publicly stated that he doesn't think she's done a good job overall, so why would he confirm her for yet another position? My point is that people would be complaining no matter what he did, because they don't like him. And, they have that right to do so.

[RUgreek]

Originally posted by AGDee
He did the right thing in voting against her confirmation. He has publicly stated that he doesn't think she's done a good job overall, so why would he confirm her for yet another position? My point is that people would be complaining no matter what he did, because they don't like him. And, they have that right to do so.

If he didn't confirm her because his party affiliation or some reason outside of his mind, I think we agree that would be wrong. As long as he's doing the right thing, I'll never attack or complain about him.