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01-11-2005, 11:29 PM
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Well he is entitled to his point of view.
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01-12-2005, 12:07 AM
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People who are subject to inequality probably care but that's another arguement. I'm confused by this 'ideal'. But I don't think racial and equality work together because the seperation of people into groups implies inequality and a power relation.
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If that's the case, shouldn't "we" be the first ones to let go of racial identifiers, seeing as how with respect to the so-called dominant culture, we're on the losing end of this equation?
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01-12-2005, 12:08 AM
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Unfortunately in today's society, the two terms are equal.
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01-12-2005, 12:18 AM
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James, yes, He is entitled to his point of view as We all are.
Lady Pi Phi, True That!
KSig RC, Your Post kind of narrows it down.
TheEpitome1920, while what you say is true, you waft to much on race issues dont you? Remember, I do not have to like someone, it doesnt make a s**t to me what race they are. They act like ass wholes, then they are treated like such.
I have heard many or a couple of storys about why there are colors of people, Cain Killed Able and He became Black showing the Mark of Evil, or the Tower of Babal?
Who in the heck knows, were I our you there?
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01-12-2005, 01:32 AM
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I think what is interesting is to reseach, is how racial identity has changed throughout history. In addition, how race itself has been defined.
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01-12-2005, 10:22 AM
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If that's the case, shouldn't "we" be the first ones to let go of racial identifiers, seeing as how with respect to the so-called dominant culture, we're on the losing end of this equation?
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You could, but is it easy? Individuals have constructed their lives (understanding of themselves and their place in the world) around it. Heck, some people would die and have killed others because of their understanding of their race and the race of others.
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01-12-2005, 10:23 AM
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TheEpitome1920, while what you say is true, you waft to much on race issues dont you? Remember, I do not have to like someone, it doesnt make a s**t to me what race they are. They act like ass wholes, then they are treated like such.
I have heard many or a couple of storys about why there are colors of people, Cain Killed Able and He became Black showing the Mark of Evil, or the Tower of Babal?
Who in the heck knows, were I our you there?
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Glad you got that out of your system. Unfortunately, I don't have to remember or care what you think.
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01-12-2005, 10:26 AM
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I have heard many or a couple of storys about why there are colors of people, Cain Killed Able
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If you're simply speaking Biblically, I *heard* that it was one of Noah's sons, not Cain.
Hmm. I can't think of anything else productive of my own to add to the thread, so I'll leave you with a quote.
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
- Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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01-12-2005, 11:05 AM
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Unfortunately in today's society, the two terms are equal.
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Yes, you are right. But it just makes me so mad that people have done this.
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01-12-2005, 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
People who are subject to inequality probably care but that's another arguement.
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You're burning the candle at both ends here.
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I'm confused by this 'ideal'.
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My bad - this was a bit too proverbial, I meant to inquire if that didn't, in fact, seem the ideal promoted by civil rights movements. Certainly, racial superiority was never a part of any of them, that I can recall . . .
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But I don't think racial and equality work together because the seperation of people into groups implies inequality and a power relation.
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It doesn't 'imply' this any more than separating third-grade classes implies an inequality between the classes. This may well have been how this has worked to this point specifically regarding race relations, but by no means does that implicitly mean this is the only way it can occur.
Also, you're being exceptionally evasive here - it's almost like you're resigning yourself to a caste system based on race. How defeatist, and how ridiculous.
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More likely than not people don't choose their race/ethnicity, it was imposed upon them/given to them. i.e. the term African. Last time I checked all the countries in Africa didn't convene to answer the question "what shall we call our continent?"
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Strawman at best, non sequitur at worst.
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01-12-2005, 11:46 AM
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It is not my intention to present a case that all hope is lost. That is a stupid assumption to make on anyones part.
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01-12-2005, 12:17 PM
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I love how this turned from a discussion about Mr. IStandOnStreetCornersAndScreamCrazyThings's website to some BS conversation on race overall. This nutjob has made racist and anti-semitic remarks. He has also attacked women. He can go back to worshipping Yakub or whatever the hell he does when he's not on meds.
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01-12-2005, 12:24 PM
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I think what is interesting is to reseach, is how racial identity has changed throughout history. In addition, how race itself has been defined.
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Too true... being a history and anthropolgy major the concept of race and/or racism comes up quite abit - particularly when you deal with evolutionary theories or African history. The first records all point to race being a discriptive term used to classify "others" not of your same community (be it clan, tribe, or state) - eventually you see it evolve as the cultures clashed into a more complex term used to both classify and measure both the people and their percieved worth, advancement, or "human-ness"... so for example the Eygptians considered themselves better than the Nubians because the Nubians were darker and less advanced; traits they associated with racial conitations - while conversely the Nubians saw themselves as better than the Egyptians because of their own darker skin, and because of their "moral" superiority; traits that the Nubians linked to race as well.
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01-12-2005, 02:55 PM
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Let's not forget that guy's website also has Anti-Catholic comments too.
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